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Wow!

Look at you fan boys go!
Apple ********d up!

Call them out on it instead of this mindless, blind adoration.

Thanks for not reading, sir. I see a lot of people saying that this is probably a mistake and that Apple has to do something. What's being discussed is some pot calling the kettle black. In fact, more than that. A pot that's been comfortably a pot for a very long time, and then sees something finally have a period (what is it? 1 comment?) where it acts like a kettle jumping on it.

It's almost like Darth Vader seeing Luke strike someone once in Anger and going, "See! See! He's just like me!!!! But...um... I'm better than that now. Really! He's the dark one!!!"

Microsoft did come through with customer service for the 360, though it took a lot longer than this for them to fess up to it and do something about it. But at least they came through. So I'm willing to give Apple a little time to see if they try to correct things like Microsoft did with the 360, or completely stay in denial of issues ala. Sony of the PS1 and PS2 fame until they got better at least with manufacturing with the PS3. Before that, you paid a different company money for warranties just to cover Sony's manufacturing defects unless you wanted to pay full price for another console to fix it.
 
Well this thread should end up a train wreck in 3..2..1...

I would like to point out that Apple have a long history of mocking the competition, not that it will make a difference.
Hey, I got nothin' against Microsoft. I love their mice and I probably know more about their operating system than the vast majority of self-professed Microsoft fans. But here's the problem with your observation, which is at face value true: when Apple pokes fun at someone, they stay grounded in reality. They tend to be surgical well-calculate strikes based on facts, and they follow through with what they say. Microsoft executives, on the other hand, sometimes seem as if they pull numbers out their a$$ and usually come across as blissfully ignorant of the challenges they need to face in a market, the challenges they face from a competitor, or the problems with their own products. Maybe it is as simple a thing as Apple executives keeping their mouths shut in fear of the great J-Stevo? Who knows.

I miss Bill Gates.
 
Microsoft is on it's way down. They lost touch with innovation, and run everything by committee. When someone at MS has a good idea like Courier, they fire them. They are the next IBM, they will fall. All the smart developers went to google or are developing on the app store.

Just for the record:
IBM has been doing extremely well for the last 10+ years. They managed to renew themselves.
 
What?!?!

"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista"

Umm, how's that? Vista was a crappy piece of software with hundreds of annoying bugs, I mean features, and performance issues. The iPhone 4 is a piece of hardware with one problem that hasn't even been fully diagnosed yet. The iPhone 4, despite its one flaw, was rated the best smartphone on the market. Vista was never rated highly by anyone for any reason, to my knowledge.

Seems like Microsoft is trying to point the finger at something to make a false analogy and take the sting out of their own incompetence.
 
The iPhone 4 is a successful, best of class product with a glitch. The phone works great and will stop working if you hold it in a very particular way.

The Windows Vista OS was a worst class of product that only occasionally worked as advertised. If you configured it just right it might have worked as advertised, but for the most part didn't.

If Vista had been a phone, you'd have to hold it in a very particular way to get it to work. The comparison is that Vista as a product is the inverse of the iPhone.
 
OK guys, Name ONE SINGLE SPECIFIC known problem with Vista that hasn't already been fixed. The problems were always just hype.

Are you guys forgetting the Apple COVER UP of this problem saying it's a SOFTWARE ISSUE? Also, for those who say that the iPhone is fixed by a simple RECALL - Are you serious? Yeah, that makes it a small issue. :rolleyes:

Tony

The last Windows Vista laptop I bought, took about 4 hours to update the OS. It went something like ....
Updates->Reboot->Service Pack X->Reboot->Update->Reboot....and on and on.

I kid you not!!
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. That's funny!

If there are a bigger bunch of dipsh#*s than the Microsoft crew, I don't know about them. They are without question, a bunch of Bozos lead by the head bozo, Steve Bozo Ballmer. Remember him, the guy who laughed at the 2G iPhone!!! Ooops, guess he missed that one, huh? Ballmer couldn't sell Pu#*y on a troop train!

They just wish someone could have as big of a flop as their Windoze Vista crap.......... That one takes the all time cake for flop of the century!
 
THIS proves why Microsoft continues to suck.

All companies come out with duds from time to time. It happens. But MS has proven again and again that they can't even recognize their own problems. If this guy actually thinks this is similar to what the Vista problems were like then they are in some serious denial.

When Microsoft makes good things I actually LIKE those things. I don't want them to fail. But they seem intent on trying to actively ignore any problems, thus leading to yet more problems. Ugh.

You know...you just described Apple's behavior on this issue to a "T". And attributed it to MS. Come on now...
 
failed reaction

What he didn't mention, was that the millions of people who bought an iphone 4, a much higher percentage of those users are VERY happy with their phone. Unlike with Vista, there was only a small percentage of happy users.
 
So basically the news is about Microsoft having an idiot in its management.
Comparing software to hardware and making promises about hardware Microsoft isn't going to make.
What a genius ...
 
Oh Please!

Good try MS!

There's not one thing I don't like about my iPhone 4 w/the exception of some small annoyances.

There wasn't one thing I liked about Vista!!!
 
I dunno about that...is IPhone 4 going to be the butt of every IT department's jokes and horror stories for the next several years? We'll see...
 
OK - Name ONE THING that was broken in Vista that got fixed. Yeah, I thought you couldn't....

Vista was never broken. It got a bad reputation because it was designed on the assumption that computers would be higher in performance than the previous generation, so MS added some resource intensive graphical elements. As it turned out, there was an influx of NETBOOKS that hit about the same time (unpredictably) that Vista could not run on very well. So it SEEMED bloated that it didn't run well on a highly underpowered 1 GHz single core processor.

This doesn't happen to Mac OS because they control both hardware and software on their platform, so they KNOW what's coming.

In the end, these OS's are all kinda the same.

Tony

I with Tony on this one. I bought a new PC in 2008 and it ran Vista... best PC experience I'd had. I have win 7 now, no issues. I think both were a big step up from xp.

Don't get me wrong guys, I love apple too. I've got a couple MBPs, time capsule, apple tv, on my second iphone (old 3g), and adore my ipad. I probably don't have the same emotional attachment i see fueling much of these posts here. I view computers and mobile devices as tools to my trade. (okay, i just thought the apple tv was cool).
 
Right. XP became an excellent operating system. Vista was terrible. Microsoft gradually improved it—to the point where it can actually run well enough if maintained by someone who knows what they are doing—but its resource usage is a sad sad nightmare compared to XP, which is a thing of beauty in the hands of the same sort of skilled computer user. That, and XP is a heck of a lot easier to clean up after a malware infection (although more vulnerable).

Windows 7 is actually decent. Vista is not.
 
Meh. dispite the issues, its still the best phone i've had. AND, when a hardware fix is issued, ill just get it as a replacement.

Funny how consumer report still ranked as the best smartphone despite its poor signal issuses. imagine if it didn't have them

anyway, apple is bas***d company who normally makes gd products. they f**k*d up this time. sort it asap
 
Apple should just send everyone who bought an iPhone 4 a bumper. Problem—to the extent it exists—solved.

I can make the bars go away, but in the real world of actually using the phone, the 4 is a more consistent performer in terms of making and maintaining a connection than any of my previous iPhone/3G/3GS. And I'm left-handed, so it's allegedly a bigger problem for us.

I know some people are upset about this, and I can understand why. But it shows how deity-like Apple's reputation for quality has become that this fairly trivial bug is being treated like all four horsemen of an Apple apocalypse. But, stock's still trading at $250+, up nearly a buck today. So not everyone is buying the hype.

And hearing a Microsoft exec slamming Apple for an imperfect product is like having the captain of the Titanic criticizing how you handle your sailboat...Microsoft's credibility on anything? Epic fail.
 
not a microsoft fan, but at least they are willing to admit their mistakes. i'm getting real tired of apple telling the consumer that they are wrong. i love my iphone 4, but there are some real issues with it. still, i don't want to return it. and i don't want to complain about it. but i want steve jobs to take some accountability for apple's mistakes and stop lying to me.

obviously, microsoft has learned a whole lot from apple. maybe its time apple learned a little something from microsoft.
 
ok. I'll bite.

I have a Dell XPS 3 GHz Dual Core computer with 2X GeForce 8800 GT vid card. 4GB DDR2 Ram. Ran Windows XP just fine. Upgraded to Vista... Dog slow. Aero didn't ever work (even with the graphical horsepower) and networking was flaky. It's funny... as soon as win 7 came out, the computer was upgraded and things were running better, but still not as good as on Win XP.

I have downgraded to win XP and that is what I run now.

The unfortunate thing is that I have to run a windows machine for work, so I am stuck. I do, however, run a Mac for personal use now.

Nonsense. You're exagerating. You can't tell me that you can't run Aero on a Dual core 3 GHz machine with 4GB RAM and a GeForce 8800 GT. I have a lesser powered PC and Vista works just fine. Everyone at my work runs Vista with Aero on lesser powered machines. You are lying or there is something else wrong with your PC.

Tony
 
Very mature Microsoft. My iPhone is fine so are a lot of others. Vista sucked that's on the record. To all of you haters and couch potatos blogers who don't own an iPhone, just stop it because you are just as guilty as Microsoft. It's pathetic
 
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