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Haiggy seems to make more sense than most of the responses posted so far in this thread.

I think he has reacted very well, done the right things, and has considered all courses of action well before he posted this thread. I don't think it's right for him to jump to the conclusion that he has been cheated on, but I do think it's right for him to second-guess her decision to go see him at all --- a guy she's not close to, in a hotel room, when she knows he wants to have sex with her.

Anyway, if he trusts her morals and truthfulness, then the right thing to do is to forgive her, and just let her know that he's totally uncomfortable with what she did. She definitely knows that now, and so.....that's it. After all, if you're in a serious relationship, what you choose to do will affect your partner as well. Yes, you should trust your partner, but you should also be considerate. You can trust your partner and still question her actions.


Anyway, good job, Haiggy. ;)
 
Dump that cheating skank. Why would she want to catch up with some creep who she doesn't even work with anymore? She has no reason to hang out with this guy.

I trust my girlfriend completely, but if she wanted to hang out with some other dude who used to hit on her and wanted to slam it in her at some hotel, I'd know something is up.

You're getting played. If your girlfriend really cared about you, she wouldn't be at a hotel with some guy, she would have respected your feelings on the subject and told the guy it wasn't going to happen. The fact that she even asked you about it, and didn't flat out tell the guy to pound sand, shows she's up to no good.
This. A good woman may ask what you think just to keep you on your toes, but never would have gone especially after knowing how you feel.
 
In this thread I see a cart load of males in fear of women making their own decisions.

2011 or 1911?

Oh please. I think most of the people here being critical of her behavior are being realistic about what happens when a man and a woman with something of a flirtatious history are alone together in a hotel room late at night. When "making their own decisions" has an effect on other people, those people have a right to be scared or upset. When you yourself feel you have invested years of fidelity and commitment in a relationship and your partner suddenly appears to be toeing the line with little concern for you, it is only fair to think you'd be upset. I think this would hold true from either perspective. Do you think a forum full of women discussing a man who'd spent several hours 'watching hockey' in a woman's hotel room would just say, "oh he's just making his own decisions nothing to be afraid of"? :rolleyes:
 
You don't think for one second that all she went to go do is watch hockey do you? This girl is playing you like a violin. Dump her.
 
Since deep down inside you really know what happened, I would say this relationship wont be lasting much longer, unless you really can fool yourself into ignorance. It would be much healthier just to end the charade now but its your life man...
 
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How do you know she told her mom and friend the full story, if at all? How do you know her tears were from feeling sorry, or from the guilt of releasing just a little bit of the bigger lie?
 
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How do you know she told her mom and friend the full story, if at all? How do you know her tears were from feeling sorry, or from the guilt of releasing just a little bit of the bigger lie?

Because as some people still don't see, I trust her. Isn't that clear enough?
If I didn't trust her we wouldn't be together. Simple as that.

To suggest that I'm jealous or controlling is just laugh worthy imo. "She's not your property, even when you're married" -- no, obviously not, but what actions she does affects us both and she can't be selfish about that, can she? It's not just trust it's respect. Have you ever been in a relationship at all lol

I feel like at this point people are just replying without reading the whole thread (which is pretty common) so I may as well stop replying as this has been resolved.

Thanks for the help MR
 
It seems that you're upset because she didn't do what you wanted her to. However, she's an adult and is capable of making her own decisions. Her actions did not harm you in any way; they just made you uncomfortable and jealous. But you nevertheless want to be able to tell her what she can and cannot do in her own life, and then browbeat her and make her feel guilty for making her own choices irrespective of what YOU think she should be doing. That is pretty much the definition of controlling.

And if she wants to cheat on you, there is absolutely nothing you can—or should—do to stop her. She is not your property, and wouldn't be even if the two of you were married. If there are boundaries she knows not to cross if she wants to stay in a relationship with you, and you trust her enough to not cross those boundaries, then you owe her the respect to make her own decisions without feeling like you have to check up on her, or tell her what's appropriate and what isn't. The problem is that you DON'T trust her, or you would have nothing to worry about. And your pretense of "caring" about her not putting herself in danger is unconvincing. Be honest with yourself—you know there was zero chance of her getting raped or harmed. The guy may be a sleaze, but it's a long way from a sleaze to a rapist. The only thing you're communicating with your "concern" is that you think your girlfriend is a moron who can't tell when she's putting herself in danger.

If you really did trust and respect her, this whole thing would be a nonissue for both of you. If you don't believe that, ask yourself why she did it. She clearly knew you weren't okay with it, and did it anyway. It sounds like she was bristling at your controlling nature and the fact that you fundamentally didn't trust her or her judgement, and thus decided to assert her independence. I don't blame her a bit. If somebody tried to tell me that I wasn't smart, mature, or sensible enough to handle a situation I was voluntarily putting myself into, my response would pretty much be, "Screw you; I'm a grown-up and I can handle myself." I would have done the same thing she did in her position, except I would have told you to back off and not been apologetic about it later.

If you want my advice, go to her and tell her you're sorry for making it an issue, and that you really do trust her and her judgement. Tell her you respect her as an adult, and that you were wrong to get so upset about her making her own decisions about what was in her best interest. Then cool it with the whole jealousy thing. Seriously. It will only drive you apart. Do you honestly think if, when she said she was going to go to the guy's hotel room, you had just said "okay, have a good time", that she would have cheated on you? If so, then ask yourself if you can really stay in a relationship with a woman who is inclined to cheat on you as soon as you stop watching her like a hawk. And if not, why did you feel the need to make a big deal over nothing?

Think it over for a bit. You can either continue to punish her and make her feel guilty for doing nothing at all wrong except not doing what you wanted her to, or you can use the opportunity to build trust and respect in your relationship. It sounds like right now, there isn't very much trust or respect between the two of you. You can go and blame her for that if you like, but it's really the fault of both of you. Respect begets respect, and trust begets trust. Start showing her some, and you might gain a partner for life. But if you'd rather have an obedient pet, get a dog.

I get what you are saying, but you are missing the point about the key element of respect. Just because someone has the right, or wants to do something, doesn't mean that they should. Not without facing the consequences of their actions. If the girl wanted to go be with an other man, then true, she has every right to do so... but, then the OP has the right to choose not to be with her due to the indiscretion. If he is clearly not okay with what she did (because she showed a lack of respect for his feelings), then his only recourse is to walk away, or accept the actions and not lay a guilt trip. What he did was accept what she did, but not without guilting her into never doing it again (good luck with that). Yeah, it is controlling.

As for me... I would never be in a long term relationship with anyone who would put me in the position she put him in. It's not because of another persons rights or trust, it's because of a lack of common sense and not realizing (or caring about) the negative affect it would have on the relationship.
 
It happens. Twice for me. Not really proud of it, but it really gives you a) an appreciation for someone who is truly honest b) a serious dose of reality as far as knowing first hand how much can happen without someone knowing.

Likewise.

When I was 21, I might have believed the girlfriend's story.

Now I'm 30+ and there's no way I'd believe her story that nothing happened in that hotel room.
 
It seems that you're upset because she didn't do what you wanted her to. However, she's an adult and is capable of making her own decisions. Her actions did not harm you in any way; (unknown) they just made you uncomfortable and jealous. But you nevertheless want to be able to tell her what she can and cannot do in her own life, and then browbeat her and make her feel guilty for making her own choices irrespective of what YOU think she should be doing. That is pretty much the definition of controlling. My guess it is an issue for most couples when one of them hangs out in a hotel room with someone who is sexually interested in them. The OP could be controlling or it could be that a boundary has been crossed.

And if she wants to cheat on you, there is absolutely nothing you can—or should—do to stop her. Unless I missed it, the cheating aspect is unknown, but until it is verified, he should voice his unhappiness and not bottle it up. She is not your property, and wouldn't be even if the two of you were married. If there are boundaries she knows not to cross if she wants to stay in a relationship with you, and you trust her enough to not cross those boundaries, then you owe her the respect to make her own decisions without feeling like you have to check up on her, or tell her what's appropriate and what isn't. It sounds like a boundary has been crossed and his girlfriend has made it clear hanging with this person is more important than any discomfort it may be causing the OP. The problem is that you DON'T trust her, or you would have nothing to worry about. Trust is based partially on actions. And your pretense of "caring" about her not putting herself in danger is unconvincing. Be honest with yourself—you know there was zero chance of her getting raped or harmed. Quite the crystal ball. ;) The guy may be a sleaze, but it's a long way from a sleaze to a rapist. The only thing you're communicating with your "concern" is that you think your girlfriend is a moron who can't tell when she's putting herself in danger.

If you really did trust and respect her, this whole thing would be a nonissue for both of you. Based on the OP's original description this would be an issue for most couples. If you don't believe that, ask yourself why she did it. She clearly knew you weren't okay with it, and did it anyway. It sounds like she was bristling at your controlling nature and the fact that you fundamentally didn't trust her or her judgement, and thus decided to assert her independence. I don't blame her a bit. If somebody tried to tell me that I wasn't smart, mature, or sensible enough to handle a situation I was voluntarily putting myself into, my response would pretty much be, "Screw you; I'm a grown-up and I can handle myself." I would have done the same thing she did in her position, except I would have told you to back off and not been apologetic about it later.

If you want my advice, go to her and tell her you're sorry for making it an issue, and that you really do trust her and her judgement. Tell her you respect her as an adult, and that you were wrong to get so upset about her making her own decisions about what was in her best interest. Then cool it with the whole jealousy thing. Seriously. It will only drive you apart. Do you honestly think if, when she said she was going to go to the guy's hotel room, you had just said "okay, have a good time", that she would have cheated on you? If so, then ask yourself if you can really stay in a relationship with a woman who is inclined to cheat on you as soon as you stop watching her like a hawk. And if not, why did you feel the need to make a big deal over nothing?

Think it over for a bit. You can either continue to punish her and make her feel guilty for doing nothing at all wrong except not doing what you wanted her to, or you can use the opportunity to build trust and respect in your relationship. It sounds like right now, there isn't very much trust or respect between the two of you. You can go and blame her for that if you like, but it's really the fault of both of you. Respect begets respect, and trust begets trust. Start showing her some, and you might gain a partner for life. But if you'd rather have an obedient pet, get a dog.

I disagree with some of the advice your prescribing as there are lots of assumptions in your conclusions. :)

My girlfriend can spend time in any hotel room with any 30 year old. Because at the end of the night, she's coming back to my place and I'm ****ing her. She's not my property and she doesn't need my approval to hang out with someone.

Does she need your approval to sleep with other men, or is it out of sight out of mind? ;)

Feel sorry for me all you like, your opinion is of no value to me. I'm getting laid tonight, not asking an internet forum for advice about a girl that I've been dating for nearly 4 years and figure I own.

Haven't you heard? Online talk is the thing now... Are you inferring it's impossible to get good advice in the MacRumor forums? :p
 
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Flame me or not for staying with her, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and this wasn't worth ending the relationship in this case. A lot of people gave some good, rational thought out logical advice and I thank you for it! :)

Good on ya', mate.

Take it from an old married guy. People are going to do what people are going to do, you know? There's not a thing you can do to change that outcome. You really have two choices in this:

1. Trust the person you're with
2. Break it off and move on
 
Hey man, I read the thread and I'm close enough in age to you to level with you for a second.

I had a girlfriend like this in the past, and trust me, she said the same things, put herself in the same situations, and said everything was fine...

But she wasn't watching a hockey game in a hotel room with any older man.

If your girl doesn't prefer hanging out with you over not only other guys, but her own friends, then you are not romantically involved. You are in a holding pattern wasting time in a relationship that won't work when you could be single finding a girl that doesn't pull this crap and make you question the morals and grounds of your sound, rational instincts.

She has to go.

Your gut instincts are never wrong. Never.

Bingo. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the post of the day. Had a girlfriend the SAME way. Trust me- you're comfortable with each other after 3.5 years. You're not in love. End it now, before it gets really, really hard.
 
Bingo. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the post of the day. Had a girlfriend the SAME way. Trust me- you're comfortable with each other after 3.5 years. You're not in love. End it now, before it gets really, really hard.

As a female around the same age as the OP I have to agree. I definitely believe its time to move on. The OP is too trusting. There's no legitimate reason, based on the original post, for her to be going to a hotel room alone for a few hours (past the end of the game) with another guy. Just doesn't add up. But hopefully things will work out for the best. I just hate the idea of a good guy (or girl) getting played.
 
Because as some people still don't see, I trust her. Isn't that clear enough?
If I didn't trust her we wouldn't be together. Simple as that.

To suggest that I'm jealous or controlling is just laugh worthy imo. "She's not your property, even when you're married" -- no, obviously not, but what actions she does affects us both and she can't be selfish about that, can she? It's not just trust it's respect. Have you ever been in a relationship at all lol

I feel like at this point people are just replying without reading the whole thread (which is pretty common) so I may as well stop replying as this has been resolved.

Thanks for the help MR

You have made it clear that you trust her.
Unfortunately, you posting your concerns is a strong indication there is some question about your trust from her actions.
I can't understand why she needed to go to his room in the first place.
You're a man, if you had a thing for a woman and were able to get her ALONE in a hotel room would you make any sexual advances.
If the woman wasn't interested how long do you think the woman would just hang out for?
If you trust here to the levels you say, there is no real reason to defend and decision to stay with her and any suggestions from others simply shouldn't matter.
I wish you luck with your decision and challenges ahead.
 
My wife has always let me know when friends and acquaintances are hitting on her and who she didn't feel comfortable around.. ever since we started dating ten years ago. She would say, "I don't trust so-and-so and he doesn't have any respect for you" to me about dipweeds trying to edge in on our love affair. Yes I am not a stupid ass I married the woman!:D;)

Op says he's not reading anymore, but fwiw if you're lurking... If you want to be able to trust any woman without question, first you must be able to trust yourself. Then you can also trust your instincts, and make wise decisions. At your age I was not trustworthy in my relationships due to hormones and inexperience nor were any of the females with whom I caroused although we thought we were mature adults- we all had some more "growing up" to do first and sampling the field is what it's all about at your young age. Heck some folks never even outgrow that phase of sexual development.

Many young women have feigned resistance at first only to give in, plied by some pizza and a hockey game back at the hotel. All it takes is one kiss that lasts a little too long. :cool:
 
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I don't have the time to read all six pages of this thread, so I don't know if what I'm saying has been said before, but I'd really like it if you would read this, because I have a lot of experience and wisdom surrounding relationships, and while what I say might sound harsh, it's true.

First thing to do: Talk to her about it. Remind her that when you asked her about being in your shoes, she said "I guess I'd be upset...," and make it crystal clear that you cannot be in a relationship with emotional double standards. Tell her that the situation can be no big deal at all, and you have no problem forgiving her and moving on, if she promises to be more aware and considerate in the future, and not impose emotional double standards on your relationship.

Second thing to do: If she responds openly, warmly, compassionately and understandingly to the above, and realizes that in the future she should put herself in your shoes before doing something like that, and promises to do so, enjoy a great relationship!

But.... if she is still defensive at all, or denies that there was a double standard, or makes justifications for a double standard being okay, break up with her, fast, don't look back, and never, ever doubt your decision. A ripple on the water becomes a tsunami as years pass in a relationship. You want to get out when it's still just a ripple.
 
Because as some people still don't see, I trust her. Isn't that clear enough?

Then why is it even an issue? If you trust her, you never had anything to worry about. And more importantly, if you RESPECT her, you never would have presumed to tell her what she may or may not do on her own time, without you even around.

To suggest that I'm jealous or controlling is just laugh worthy imo. "She's not your property, even when you're married" -- no, obviously not, but what actions she does affects us both and she can't be selfish about that, can she?

Yes, she absolutely can. Just like you can be selfish about NOT letting her do what she wants to do simply because YOU don't like it. What you do affects both of you as well. Why is what you want more important than what she wants—particularly when it's HER decision? She didn't do what you wanted, and that makes you mad. You can get pissy about it, and create hostility between the two of you for no good reason, or you can show her that you respect her autonomy, and apologize for being so controlling and jealous. Up to you.

But consider this: What if she told you one day she doesn't want you to spend time with your best friend anymore, because she gets the vibe that he doesn't like her, and if you really respected her you wouldn't be around people that don't like her? Who knows, he might try to sabotage your relationship with her, and you just shouldn't put yourself in that position. Would that be at all reasonable to you? Whatever your feelings would be about that, I can assure you that's how she feels towards you right now, because that's not materially different from how you just treated her.

It's not just trust it's respect. Have you ever been in a relationship at all lol

It is absolutely about respect. You have very little for her. And as a result of this, she has probably lost a lot for you.

And not that it really matters, but for your information, I've been married for six years to a woman that I began dating when you were 12. Lol, indeed.
 
Look, Liquorpuki, I posted in my first reply specifically that I don't own her (or for that matter anyone). What I did say is that the OP thinks that he owns his girlfriend. Rather than being facetious any longer I'm just going to point out that you've clearly either misread what I originally wrote, or misinterpreted what I said through the filtration of other people's responses.

I'll just take Lee's word on it and assume I misinterpreted you

In this thread I see a cart load of males in fear of women making their own decisions.

2011 or 1911?

GF: I'm going out with my girlfriends tonight. We're gonna have dinner then dance at a club.
BF: Go for it

GF: I'm gonna hang out with some guys you don't know at their apartment. They've been wanting to run the train on me for the past year but we're just gonna watch Oprah. I'm not gonna be wearing any panties btw.
BF: Go for it

One of these is healthy trust. In the other, the guy's a moron. And after she's done crying, that's also what she'll be saying to backwards rationalize why she did it. That her man's a moron.

And 2 years after that, they get married and start a family
 
Glad you got it resolved. You know It's up to you whether you trust her or not. This is the kind of stuff that you really don't want to post online because you're gonna get so much different advice.

If she going to cheat on you she'll do it without your permission, the fact that she asked to go to his room is IDK, a test of some kind for you. Unfortunately if you feel uneasy about something just say ,"No."

Women are masters at head games and I've seen so many cheating girlfriends and spouses. In the long run all you can do is be honest with her, and trust her regardless.

If she is cheating on you one day you will find out. If shes not put it behind you and move on. Don't play trust games in your relationship and test waters that you don't feel comfortable with.

Here's what I'll say in the long run when you're sleeping in bed with her are you comfortable or do you have doubts? If you have doubts then don't let her go to other mens hotel rooms alone. If she pulls the controlling card on you, then you don't need her and her crazy head games.

I wish I had better advice for you but Love can sure be trying at times. Just go with your heart and gut, they usually don't steer you wrong.
 
I'll just take Lee's word on it and assume I misinterpreted you



GF: I'm going out with my girlfriends tonight. We're gonna have dinner then dance at a club.
BF: Go for it

GF: I'm gonna hang out with some guys you don't know at their apartment. They've been wanting to run the train on me for the past year but we're just gonna watch Oprah. I'm not gonna be wearing any panties btw.
BF: Go for it

One of these is healthy trust. In the other, the guy's a moron. And after she's done crying, that's also what she'll be saying to backwards rationalize why she did it. That her man's a moron.

And 2 years after that, they get married and start a family

Wrong on the second. In the second situation, you say, "Have a good time. If any of them are really hot, screw them and tell me all the details later, after which, we'll have really hot sex. Just be honest about it." Or, "if you really feel adventurous, bring him home and we'll both do him."

If you need me to explain why this is a good attitude, I'll just say this: Once you've taken that weapon away, there is nothing left but honesty. You will know here you stand.

Jealousy is a useless emotion that does no one any good. No one owns anyone.
 
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Wrong on the second. In the second situation, you say, "Have a good time. If any of them are really hot, screw them and tell me all the details later, after which, we'll have really hot sex. Just be honest about it." Or, "if you really feel adventurous, bring him home and we'll both do him."

If you need me to explain why this is a good attitude, I'll just say this: Once you've taken that weapon away, there is nothing left but honesty. You will know here you stand.

Jealousy is a useless emotion that does no one any good. No one owns anyone.

Agreed, though who says a little kinky ownership can't add to things?

;)
 
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