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Next iPhone to Record 1280x720 HD Video?

OMG!!!! This is so AWESOME!!!!!!!!! One of the best new features for the next iPhone! I was hoping for HD video recording, higher resolution screen and multitasking..and if all that is coming, I will be more than happy (to sell myself) to buy the new iPhone. :D And I do like the name iPhone HD.
 
Camera lense

Here's to hoping it's a prism folding lens like the Panasonic Lumix Fp series.

That would compel me to empty my wallet several times over. :)
 
flottenheimer said:
Wonder what the frame rate will be at 720p...?

The 4G will be my first iPhone.
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The frame rate will have to be 30FPS just like the VGA recording currently is. I can't see Steve getting up there and touting more resolution but with stuttery video as that was a trait he mocked of other devices.

Also, let's not forget the symmetry of the new iPhone recording 720 and the iPad Loving 720 resolution files, and we all know how much Apple likes keeping their product lines similar.

-Brian
 
I'm gonna vote negative on this. We don't want higher resolution video recording! This is terrible news.

Also, they should lower the screen res. I can't see the pixels!
 
Hmm... sub $1000 "HD" video cameras still deliver less sharp images than professional SD (as in 640 x 480 pixels) cameras. Got a lot to do with optics, sensors and compression. So I don't know whether the pin-needle sized camera on the iPhone (I hear the camera got a lil bigger on the 4G) and similarly tiny sensor can deliver 1280x720. I could imagine a 30-pin accessory so you can attach a nicer camera and use the iPhone as a storage or streaming device. HDMI to 30-pin adapter anyone?
 
Its probably gonna be 960x640 recorded video

960x640 rumored to be next iPhone resolution
iFrame HD format released by Apple which is 960x640
iMovie codec support for iFrame for editing

Connect the dots
 
MrCrowbar said:
Hmm... sub $1000 "HD" video cameras still deliver less sharp images than professional SD (as in 640 x 480 pixels) cameras. Got a lot to do with optics, sensors and compression. So I don't know whether the pin-needle sized camera on the iPhone (I hear the camera got a lil bigger on the 4G) and similarly tiny sensor can deliver 1280x720. I could imagine a 30-pin accessory so you can attach a nicer camera and use the iPhone as a storage or streaming device. HDMI to 30-pin adapter anyone?
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I haven't seen anyone propose filming the next Star Trek movie with it. Geez. Picky, picky. There are already plenty of sub $200 -- the Flip HD, for example, that do a fine job for YouTube and iMovie home videos.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I haven't seen anyone propose filming the next Star Trek movie with it. Geez. Picky, picky. There are already plenty of sub $200 -- the Flip HD, for example, that do a fine job for YouTube and iMovie home videos.
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Just sayin, you can take a flip HD video, export it to 640x480 and scale it up and it's just as sharp as the original. :rolleyes:

But I agree, it's very convenient to shoot video in 720p and upload it to youTube without further editing (well, maybe normalizing the audio... something youTube should do on their side since they re-encode the videos anyway).
 
Small White Car said:
Final Cut Pro, but the format isn't the problem. I can use current iPhone videos just fine if I wanted to.

It's just that cramming 30 fps footage into my 24 fps timelines isn't always beautiful, depending on what's happening in the image. I can make it work but it'd be nice if I didn't have to "make it" work.

Besides, 24 fps footage would take up less memory on an iPhone than 30 fps, so you'd get longer recording times. Another reason to choose it if it's an option.
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I came across this. Haven't tried it.

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/converting_frame_rates_compressor.html

I have panasonic HDC-S5 and HDC-S100 (which does 24p) so I would have a mixing problem; I'l have to try Compressor to see how it looks.

The SD-5 is 60i and the SD-100 is 30p, so I work in 30P, but the 60i to 30p conversion is straightforward in FCS.
 
supertonic said:
The Nokia N8 does 720p video & this is what it looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD2KsSei2Vc&fmt=22

It also does 12 megapixel photos & they look amazing!



more stills here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010...xel-sample-photos-shot-on-nokia-n8-untouched/

No more need to carry around a FLIP HD & a point & shoot camera.

I hope the new iPhone can do all this.

If the iPhone imager can do 720p video, it'll probably do stills far bigger than 5megapixel.
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If you take a single 720p frame, the resolution is about that of a 2 megapixel image. So no, it doesn't mean much. And it seems redundant to say, but I wish more people would understand that having 18 megapixels doesn't mean that the images are going to look nice. The Nikon D1, released over ten years ago, featured a 2.7 megapixel image sensor, and here's a photo from a D1:
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Here's an image from Engadget of the Kin 2 which has an 8 megapixel sensor:
kinsnaps8.jpg


So please don't worry about how many megapixels it has. Anything over 5 is more than acceptable, especially with such a tiny lens and sensor.
 
MrCrowbar said:
Hmm... sub $1000 "HD" video cameras still deliver less sharp images than professional SD (as in 640 x 480 pixels) cameras. Got a lot to do with optics, sensors and compression.
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This is not true for a good $500-$1000 camcorders. There are several AVCHD and HDV camcorders in that range that record 1080 very close to the theoretical limitation (Nyquest limit) of the format (as with any camera: you need good light of course), but these won't fit in your pocket. There are even HD capable SLR cameras in that range that have quite large sensors and even cheap SLR lenses are capable of much higher resolutions than 1080.

But what you say is really true for "Flip" and similar "toy" devices and it is even more true for any camera in a mobile phone. I don't think the next iPhone will change this. Apple can do really cool stuff, but they cannot change the laws of physics.

Christian
 
M-5 said:
If you take a single 720p frame, the resolution is about that of a 2 megapixel image. So no, it doesn't mean much. And it seems redundant to say, but I wish more people would understand that having 18 megapixels doesn't mean that the images are going to look nice. The Nikon D1, released over ten years ago, featured a 2.7 megapixel image sensor, and here's a photo from a D1:
445526109482dde8d32bb.jpg


Here's an image from Engadget of the Kin 2 which has an 8 megapixel sensor:
kinsnaps8.jpg


So please don't worry about how many megapixels it has. Anything over 5 is more than acceptable, especially with such a tiny lens and sensor.
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One can argue about the megapixels to death but look at the quality of the Nokia N8 photos & they're very sharp & noise free & as good as many P&S cameras.
 
supertonic said:
One can argue about the megapixels to death but look at the quality of the Nokia N8 photos & they're very sharp & noise free & as good as many P&S cameras.
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Yes, but I'm sure that has very little to do with how many megapixels they were able to cram into the camera. It probably has a very capable sensor and lens.
 
With a 5 megapixel camera it is possible to capture not only 720p but also 1080p (HD) and 4080p (4K). The device is solid state so only the internal bus is the limiting factor, aside from software support.

Why not at least be able to capture brief high res images?

Why not support high frame rates to facilitate slo-mo display?

This is an internal device and software limit, not a network limit, so "make it so."

Rocketman
 
Rocketman said:
With a 5 megapixel camera it is possible to capture not only 720p but also 1080p (HD) and 4080p (4K). The device is solid state so only the internal bus is the limiting factor, aside from software support.
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This isn't accurate. A 5 megapixel camera, it's possible to capture high resolution IMAGES, but not necessarily VIDEO at that high a rez. And that is likely a limitation of the camera component.

Similarly, the current iPhone can capture 3 megapixel images but video only at 640x480.

arn
 
supertonic said:
One can argue about the megapixels to death but look at the quality of the Nokia N8 photos & they're very sharp & noise free & as good as many P&S cameras.
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Why not? Some small P&S cameras are not really bigger than mobile phones. I think it is well possible to build similar sensors and optics in a mobile phone. I think the biggest problem is Steves obsession to make everything thin, thinner and even thinner.

[Edit] Nokia claims the sensor in the N8 is the same size as in a P&S camera (so, somewhere between 1/2.5'' and 2/3''). [/Edit]

But typilcal P&S cameras still do not match real video camcorders in video capability even tough sensors and optics are comparable. Most P&S cameras do not have a working auto focus in video mode and revert to fix focus operation (small aperture and set focus to 5 feet or something). So the video will never be really in focus (esp. close up) and low light performance gets even worse. Some only offer digital zoom in video mode (very stupid for a camera that has optical zoom!) and manual controls are non existant or very limited (you will need them if you want to create something that really looks "hd").

Christian
 
old-school said:
ghd? Synonymous with hair straighteners.

iPhone HD
iPhone 4
iPhone

most likely candidates. I actually hate the 3GS name, sounds crap, sounds like a razor. They should play this one simple and safe.
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I always thought it was unlike apple with the direction they went with naming 3G, 3GS.

I really hope they just call it iPhone.. and continue like that every year.
 
TMay said:
I came across this. Haven't tried it.

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/converting_frame_rates_compressor.html

I have panasonic HDC-S5 and HDC-S100 (which does 24p) so I would have a mixing problem; I'l have to try Compressor to see how it looks.

The SD-5 is 60i and the SD-100 is 30p, so I work in 30P, but the 60i to 30p conversion is straightforward in FCS.
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Nice read from the kenstone page, but i do have a Q about that, he says in the example he wants to chance the frame rate to 30p, why then is the preset he uses 720p60 should that not be 720p30, or am i reading it wrong. I know in that tab he then choses 29.97 but still.
 
Pechente said:
HD Recording? NO! I hope Apple will not implement this. I can't imagine the quality to be any good at all.
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Then don't use it.Surely it will have 640x480 as an option to save space.Anyway,saying no!when you have no idea how good it will be makes no sense.
 
jeff181995 said:
Its probably gonna be 960x640 recorded video

960x640 rumored to be next iPhone resolution
iFrame HD format released by Apple which is 960x640
iMovie codec support for iFrame for editing

Connect the dots
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That makes no sense. Why would Apple want an obscure video resolution determined by the limiting factor that is the screen. If they're going to boast about HD Video it'll have to be at least 720P, especially if they want to keep pace with the competitors. Any thing else isn't noteworthy.
 
derek1984 said:
Sounds great but is worthless to me because I got my 3GS last year.

Too bad I can't just buy this at the retail cost without having to pay a ridiculous penalty because it's within 18 months of when I got my 3GS.

Oh well...
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it only cost me $200 to go from3G to 3GS after 12 months.Why would you want to pay full price?To avoid starting another 2 yr contract?
 
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