One month after, it's still a terrible machine.

[ihatetoregister]

This OP has been ranting for weeks, what a huge effort, makes me curious, most curious. Not sure what this is all about, but it goes on and on and on and on, look at these threads by the OP, just massive amounts of highly invested negativity, gee give it a rest, its getting so, so old.

One month after, it's still a terrible machine.

Everything I feared, and more. And some good.

So much anger and bitterness here and everywhere. Why ?

Take the damn thing back, sell it, learn to play piano, write a book, something else, you're driving me and a lot of posters on the forum crazy man! You're just no fun at all . .

Why ? Simply so people skip this iteration or switch to another model if they can stand Windows or Linux.
How ? By posting between compilation time or when I have a blank and need a break before finding a great way to solve a problem at my job
How does it differs from people spending a huge amount of effort telling people who don't like this that they should, in fact, like this ? You tell me

As for your last sentence : I think i've been nice and warn you right away from the first sentence, you didn't have to get involved. Some other forumers are nicer and chat, if that "drives you crazy" that people don't like this iteration just don't read it.
Especially when you have a nice, emphasized warning from the very start.

I mean, I personally use the option in the settings to ignore a couple of users on this forum. I literally don't see their posts if they post here. Why don't you do the same ? Just don't get crazy, calm down, learn to play guitar, write a essay, something else, you're no fun with your post

I decided to devote this beautiful Saturday morning to show you my USB-C solution. I wrote that you exaggerate your problem - you wrote back it is bull***t.

Hello lobo1978, the condescending tone is ****** and really not necessary (you should look 2 sec at yourself before criticizing others), but nevertheless thanks for the rest of your advice.

I'm not too sure what you mean by trying another port on the display (and yes, it has DP 1.3, it's an Asus ROG PG279 ), it's not like it's a great solution. Say I try that, what if the problem persist ? I have spent, yet again, money on yet another adapter ? Would that mean that there, is fact , no problem with this USB-C idiocy ? Because I don't agree, it still means there is a problem.

My solution is to wait for the Belkin 2 dock, which should arrive "soon" (it's been advertised as such for a while)

The dongles you mention seems indeed very cheap, it's good. they didn't exist when I ordered my machine. Only the stuff on Apple.no , which I bought.
In any case, they are sitll dongles, it's terrible ! The dock will help for sure. I just have to be patient...
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The only positive and constructive thing to come out of this teenage journal entry of a thread is that it exemplifies how the majority of posters on here are patient, rational and decent people who contribute advice without so much as a thank you from the OP.

Every time the OP posts I envisage a bratty kid screaming for chocolate down the checkout isle whilst his mum tries to placate him with fruit. Kudos to you all for being mum!

You didn't have to read it, warning was pretty clear. Also, I'd be interested in what you consider fair criticism of this machine, because when listening to you or some others here there is basically 2 choices :
Either you're a good sheep and you happily agree to every stupid decision and failure with this machine OR you a kid/ just bitter.
Literally impossible that the criticism is justified (oh, I'm sure it would be if I was talking about, say, how crappy HP laptops are, but not Apple).

1. Researched properly before buying

Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.

2. Researched how to efficiently and cheaply get around dongle hysteria (which would have been discoverable at (1))

Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.

3. Utilised the returns policy despite having a plethora of complaints

Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.

feels justified for criticising anyone who disagrees with his views

haha you're going to have to explain how you are different, because as stated above it seems that anyone who don't like this machine is either mad / bratty / just bitter but no ground in reality etc.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

Why ? Simply so people skip this iteration or switch to another model if they can stand Windows or Linux.
How ? By posting between compilation time or when I have a blank and need a break before finding a great way to solve a problem at my job
How does it differs from people spending a huge amount of effort telling people who don't like this that they should, in fact, like this ? You tell me

As for your last sentence : I think i've been nice and warn you right away from the first sentence, you didn't have to get involved. Some other forumers are nicer and chat, if that "drives you crazy" that people don't like this iteration just don't read it.
Especially when you have a nice, emphasized warning from the very start.

I mean, I personally use the option in the settings to ignore a couple of users on this forum. I literally don't see their posts if they post here. Why don't you do the same ? Just don't get crazy, calm down, learn to play guitar, write a essay, something else, you're no fun with your post




Hello lobo1978, the condescending tone is ****** and really not necessary (you should look 2 sec at yourself before criticizing others), but nevertheless thanks for the rest of your advice.

I'm not too sure what you mean by trying another port on the display (and yes, it has DP 1.3, it's an Asus ROG PG279 ), it's not like it's a great solution. Say I try that, what if the problem persist ? I have spent, yet again, money on yet another adapter ? Would that mean that there, is fact , no problem with this USB-C idiocy ? Because I don't agree, it still means there is a problem.

My solution is to wait for the Belkin 2 dock, which should arrive "soon" (it's been advertised as such for a while=
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You didn't have to read it, warning was pretty clear. Also, I'd be interested in what you consider fair criticism of this machine, because when listening to you or some others here there is basically 2 choices :
Either you're a good sheep and you happily agree to every stupid decision and failure with this machine OR you a kid/ just bitter.
Literally impossible that the criticism is justified (oh, I'm sure it would be if I was talking about, say, how crappy HP laptops are, but not Apple).



Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.



Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.



Explained before, please read all if you decided to be vindicative like this.



haha you're going to have to explain how you are different, because as stated above it seems that anyone who don't like this machine is either mad / bratty / just bitter but no ground in reality etc.

You seem confused - firstly you say I don't have to read and then you say I have to explain my views. For the record I and anyone can contribute as we please, much like you've been allowed to. I'll opt for the latter of your requests in any case - I'm criticising your conduct and not your opinions and this is plain from my post.

If you don't like the MBP for x and y reasons - nothing wrong with that at all and although I'm very happy with my machine, I too have my views. But, given your inclination to make personal attacks when people disagree with you I will happily highlight your blatant self loathing dressed up as a critique of the MBP.

 

[WRONG]

I think I'll join this thread just because it looks absolutely beautiful.
First of all,

I am wrong

no you're not. I am.

Second, I kinda understand your rant, and I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get along with your Mac.

Out of curiosity: why didn't you buy the 15", and how did you spend 4000 € for the 13" ?!

 

[ihatetoregister]

Key to a happy life, return - or even sell in your case - and buy the previous model like I did. I'm on 15" but I'm sure it's the exact same case.

Yep, I should have done that probably. I just felt bad by asking my work a grace period using my own personal mbp at work, then get the new one (and I made the mistake of selling the personal one the very same day) after a few weeks , then return it after convincing the boss that he should get me this 4000$ machine.
Maybe I should have anyway, as someone stated here, after all I'm creating value for the company, but it's just embarrassing when starting a new job, you know ?

Plan forward is to used a dock for the adapters, suffer for the battery life, keyboard etc, and at the same time start to move all my setup and tools on Linux and then if the next mbp iteration is still crappy / unimpressive, just make the jump.
I'll miss macOS, I'm very sure of that

I think I'll join this thread just because it looks absolutely beautiful.
First of all,


no you're not. I am.

Second, I kinda understand your rant, and I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get along with your Mac.

Out of curiosity: why didn't you buy the 15", and how did you spend 4000 € for the 13" ?!

Wrong I love you, nice to see you here !

For the 15", big mistake on my end. I assumed the 13" will be even more portable / small, so ... more practical, and with good battery too, given the lower TDP.
But it wasn't worth the benefit : As someone else stated there, the 15" is barely bigger and heavier, and I would have had more power and battery.
I guess in my mind I still think of my 2013 maxed out 13", which was a beast with great battery life. I didn't imagine the 2016 model could be such a let down.
So, in the end, you were RIGHT to go for the 15" !

Secondly : welcome to Norway, where people are beautiful (I'm not Norwegian so I can say it) and things cost a fortune and take time to arrive.

Maxed out 13" = 30 000 NOK. Plethora of adapters ( please note that the only ones available at launch where the ones on the Apple site, so no "get a cheap amazon cable". Not to mention you have to deal with customs for anything from amazon over 30 dollars... ) for work and for home = about 4000 NOK extra.

This includes power extension cables, extra charger, usbc to lightning, to ethernet (yes, I'm one of those people who need to have one every now and then), to USB non C , to HDMI.
Only the HDMI one (the most expensive) was in double, as was the power extension. Idea was to use the displays work already bought for me.

Total amounted to 34600 NOK I think, or 4072 dollars at today's rate.

I then ordered the LG screen in order to get rid of the power extension cable and extra charger, adding a sweet amount of dollars to this.
I returned it when I realized I couldn't go with such a small screen and 0 hub possibility.
As of last week LG released the UD28W ( or whatever it's called ) which is much better and work bought it. So, I returned charger and power extension cable, but also spent about 7000 NOK extra, so all in all a 6000 NOK on top of what was spent, for a grand total cost of ... 4780 dollars total for my install at work !

I read many times here "just return it" but you can see it would be a bit ****** for my work and my boss after all of this !
I don't know, maybe I overthink it, but I find it embarrassing.

 

[maflynn]

This maxed out 13" is a 4060$ piece of garbage,

So why not return it?

Short of that sell it and buy a product that better fits your needs

 

[ihatetoregister]

So why not return it?

Short of that sell it and buy a product that better fits your needs

I explained it a few times on this post. One of them being in the post just above yours. Short version is, it would be embarrassing / annoying towards my job which was nice enough to allow such a spending in the first place.

In any casehat's what will eventually happen.
Depending if they fix the battery /come up with something truly innovative in the next iteration (hopefully this year), I'll either sell and replace this one at my own expense for a better mbp, or go the Linux + windows way and get some other brand such as the new Razer Stealth Blade, Dell xps15", Lenovo Yoga with the OLED screen or some Asus ultrabook.

Might happen earlier than that if, as I suspect, Microsoft is preparing a new, non Windows, Linux based OS.

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

What are you actually hoping to gain from this thread?

You have mentioned problems, people have mentioned solutions. You solution was to criticise them as fanboys.

If you hate it then return it, you said you couldn't, then you said you were too embarrassed to return it? Seriously? If something is genuinely not up to your needs then you shouldn't be embarrassed. You should be if deep down you know it's perfectly fine and you'd struggle to justify it to those who paid for it.

You've mentioned the cost, and worked this out by using a currency converter. That's not how economics works, the prices are set to each country specifically on their local taxes/rates. Also again, I gather you didn't actually pay for it yourself. So this point isn't really worth any attention.

So do you want help? Do you want to just hate? Do you want others to roll in on your hate and join you in some campaign? If so why are you calling everyone fanboys who try to help you? Would we call everyone hateboys for joining your obscene thread of anger?

Your issues with the device are so ridiculous, I am not sure what you expected. But complaining about having to plug stuff in is stupid, when you would have had to do this at any point in owning a computer. I'm not sure if you've owned a computer that long but surely you've come across a situation where you had to buy a different cable or adapter to use something before? Just buy USB-C devices going forward, and use an adapter in the interim. Problem solved!

This whole thread just seems insane, ungrounded, and obscene. You can flaunt your disclaimer as much as you want, but you cannot expect to start a thread moaning and ranting about something and expect nobody to weigh in on it.

So what do you actually want?

 

[ihatetoregister]

What are you actually hoping to gain from this thread?

Kinda obvious ? It's a rant, it exists to vent. I'm gaining venting I guess ?

Also it might be useful for the undecided ones, so they hold out to next iteration or switch to PC until Apple stops being so dumb /screwy. You know, it's more useful than say, someone who is happy tere's no extension cable, no magsafe, that you need adapter, who doesn't understand TDP / battery capacity ratio and think it was actually the best thing int he world and Apple produced it etc etc

And also, there are a few funny comments and a couple of advice/ info.

It's also somewhat interesting to see that despite asking to look somewhere else, the fanboys will go balistic and be rude
because you dare to find the product not up to your expectations... blasphemy !!

You have mentioned problems, people have mentioned solutions. You solution was to criticise them as fanboys.

Absolutely not, fanboys were there before, and I think are definitely part of the problem (the fact they'd buy absolutely whatever is thrown at them at whatever price won't discourage Apple to stop screwing them)

If you hate it then return it, you said you couldn't, then you said you were too embarrassed to return it? Seriously?

Dude I don't know how it works where you live but for me if your job is getting you a nice machine and spend a ******** compared to a PC employee, you're being nice and don't add some more wasted time and money to them by reordering something else, move your dev env again etc.
Maybe it's fine in your book, but it's not in mine (and I suspect, in my boss'either.

This whole thread just seems insane, ungrounded, and obscene.

Right... No hyperbole, no cultism, no fanboyism at all there, those are completely normal adjectives to describe a thread about a laptop.

:')

Blabla...
So what do you actually want?

What I did, rant and vent.

 

[lobo1978]

it's not like it's a great solution. Say I try that, what if the problem persist ? I have spent, yet again, money on yet another adapter ?

How it is not great solution? One cable to connect directly from USB-C to your monitor port (of choice). What else do you want/expect? This is THE solution.

Again, read my last post carefully. You need cable (either HDMI--USB-C or DP--USB-C -- there are hundreds @Amazon.de) not adapter. I gave you links for your convenience in my previous post.

You ask for it - life coaching continue here:

In case it is not working - return it.

Do you know that in EU, you have a right to return goods bought online within 14 days no questions ask right?

Judging from your answer, you are obviously not looking for solution, only want to fume/hate over everything, but that's all I got for you.

Cheers!
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What I did, rant and vent.

If you want vent -- go outside

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

Kinda obvious ? It's a rant, it exists to vent. I'm gaining venting I guess ?

Also it might be useful for the undecided ones, so they hold out to next iteration or switch to PC until Apple stops being so dumb /screwy. You know, it's more useful than say, someone who is happy tere's no extension cable, no magsafe, that you need adapter, who doesn't understand TDP / battery capacity ratio and think it was actually the best thing int he world and Apple produced it etc etc

And also, there are a few funny comments and a couple of advice/ info.

It's also somewhat interesting to see that despite asking to look somewhere else, the fanboys will go balistic and be rude
because you dare to find the product not up to your expectations... blasphemy !!



Absolutely not, fanboys were there before, and I think are definitely part of the problem (the fact they'd buy absolutely whatever is thrown at them at whatever price won't discourage Apple to stop screwing them)



Dude I don't know how it works where you live but for me if your job is getting you a nice machine and spend a ******** compared to a PC employee, you're being nice and don't add some more wasted time and money to them by reordering something else, move your dev env again etc.
Maybe it's fine in your book, but it's not in mine (and I suspect, in my boss'either.



Right... No hyperbole, no cultism, no fanboyism at all there, those are completely normal adjectives to describe a thread about a laptop.

:')



What I did, rant and vent.

Well where I live (In the real world) if my boss brought an expensive computer to do my work on, I would know that my boss had little to no idea about my needs and simply brought the best thing available with an expectation it would suffice. If it wasn't up to scratch, they'd want to know ASAP so that they could do something about it, return it or replace it. If I continued to use a device that wasn't up to the job, then told them 6 months later. They'd question why I didn't tell them sooner when they could have done something about it and then be largely upset for having to waste time/money sorting it out. Is that not how it works in your part of the world?

Also, just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them a fanboy. There is no correlation. I don't agree with you on your work, does this make me a fanboy of your boss or something in your mind?

I fail to see how this could be useful to anyone, the problems you mentioned are quite obvious when buying a device. If this thread was framed as a constructive criticism it might provide some value, but in its current form it appears as your self described rant.

 

[ihatetoregister]

How it is not great solution? One cable to connect directly from USB-C to your monitor port (of choice). What else do you want/expect? This is THE solution.

Again, read my last post carefully. You need cable (either HDMI--USB-C or DP--USB-C -- there are hundreds @Amazon.de) not adapter. I gave you links for your convenience in my previous post.

Geee, keep cool lobo1978, I did read your post it doesn't change what I said : "What if that doesn't work ?" and "Right now I'm waiting for the Belkin dock" . The dock will hopefully take care of the ugliness and stupidness of the situation (well, at home at least). If not, I'll try one of the cables.

In case it is not working - return it.

Do you know that in EU, you have a right to return goods bought online within 14 days no questions ask right?

.
When ordering back in November, literally only the Apple adapters were available. Might still be the case ( although I could make an international order and deal with the customs, the joy), and was definitely the case 2 weeks after receiving it. The 14 days have long passed.
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Well where I live (In the real world) if my boss brought an expensive computer to do my work on, I would know that my boss had little to no idea about my needs and simply brought the best thing available with an expectation it would suffice. If it wasn't up to scratch, they'd want to know ASAP so that they could do something about it, return it or replace it. If I continued to use a device that wasn't up to the job, then told them 6 months later. They'd question why I didn't tell them sooner when they could have done something about it and then be largely upset for having to waste time/money sorting it out. Is that not how it works in your part of the world?

No.

I fail to see how this could be useful to anyone, the problems you mentioned are quite obvious when buying a device.

Absolutely not, also please read Macalway (pretty funny, by the way) comment in page 2 (top).

If this thread was framed as a constructive criticism it might provide some value, but in its current form it appears as your self described rant.

You know, you the fanboys (or whatever you may call yourself, "everpositive enthusiastic brand users" maybe? ) say that but I still fail to see you guys accepting any criticism of your toys.

I'm going to ask you, and I'm pretty sure I won't get any examples as always, to direct me to 2 or 3 threads whose topic is "constructive criticism" according to you and where you said something like "Fair enough, it's a real problem they should have done better" rather than spending a lot of energy / agressivity explaining the person why he's wrong to not like that machine.

Also, just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them a fanboy. There is no correlation. I don't agree with you on your work, does this make me a fanboy of your boss or something in your mind?

Not at all, and if you read the rest of this thread you'll see I agree with some people or even thank them for their comment (even if they're sometimes rude, ref. previous page and lobo1978 )
However qualifying a thread about a computer someone dislike with the terms "insane", "obscene" and "ungrounded" is pretty much crazy cuckoo fanboyism !
I mean dude, I'm the one ranting and I don't take it that seriously. Obscene, really ? Lol at least I'm getting a few laughs out of this.

in its current form it appears as your self described rant.

Which is good, because you know, it's exactly what it is ! You read a topic that start with bold letter saying "this is a rant" and you expect it to ...not be a rant ? What are you trying to say here ?

 

[ardchoille50]

OP is ultimately mad at himself for all three of the above and yet feels justified for criticising anyone who disagrees with his views which in a nutshell is quite simply - laptop me no like.

It's a coping mechanism, his mind places the blame on others because he can't handle the possibility that he may be at fault. The sad part is that people like that never learn from their mistakes. I just place them on my ignore list and be done with it, there is really not much else we can do with their type.

 

[ihatetoregister]

It's a coping mechanism, his mind places the blame on others because he can't handle the possibility that he may be at fault. The sad part is that people like that never learn from their mistakes.

The only people who seem mad here are the one who can't accept someone thinks their toys is very disappointing.

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

Geee, keep cool lobo1978, I did read your post it doesn't change what I said : "What if that doesn't work ?" and "Right now I'm waiting for the Belkin dock" . The dock will hopefully take care of the ugliness and stupidness of the situation (well, at home at least). If not, I'll try one of the cables.


.
When ordering back in November, literally only the Apple adapters were available. Might still be the case ( although I could make an international order and deal with the customs, the joy), and was definitely the case 2 weeks after receiving it. The 14 days have long passed.
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No.



Absolutely not, also please read Macalway (pretty funny, by the way) comment in page 2 (top).



You know, you the fanboys (or whatever you may call yourself, "everpositive enthusiastic brand users" maybe? ) say that but I still fail to see you guys accepting any criticism of your toys.

I'm going to ask you, and I'm pretty sure I won't get any examples as always, to direct me to 2 or 3 threads whose topic is "constructive criticism" according to you and where you said something like "Fair enough, it's a real problem they should have done better" rather than spending a lot of energy / agressivity explaining the person why he's wrong to not like that machine.




Not at all, and if you read the rest of this thread you'll see I agree with some people or even thank them for their comment (even if they're sometimes rude, ref. previous page and lobo1978 )
However qualifying a thread about a computer someone dislike with the terms "insane", "obscene" and "ungrounded" is pretty much crazy cuckoo fanboyism !
I mean dude, I'm the one ranting and I don't take it that seriously. Obscene, really ? Lol at least I'm getting a few laughs out of this.



Which is good, because you know, it's exactly what it is ! You read a topic that start with bold letter saying "this is a rant" and you expect it to ...not be a rant ? What are you trying to say here ?

Firstly, fanboys are often the ones to call others fanboys. I'm not sure why you would call me a fanboy for using a computer but okay. I like the new MBP and have brought one, you do not like the computer but have brought one. So this fanboy, by your definition, is someone who praises a product regardless of faults, would seem to apply to you in this case. As you didn't like it but brought it anyway just because it's Apple?

'No' is the only response to your returns issue. Seriously? If you go to your boss in 6 months and say "I was too embarrassed to say it didn't work" do you know what they'll say? Are you a grown man or a child? Do you work in a kindergarten or something??

I've had a look for other threads for you, and you seem to be making a habit of spending aggressive energy in simply replying "It's crap" in many of them. As if that's your only stance on the matter, you're seriously spending time telling people something is rubbish just because it's not right for you? Please don't quote TDP unless you actually know what you're talking about, and stop using that as an argument. Here's some 'criticisms' that are framed constructively for you to research.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/my-2016-macbook-pro-bug-list.2025152/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macbook-pro-2016-15-inch.2027040/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-did-they-do-this-to-the-tbmbp.2025594/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/an-opinionated-cpu-benchmark-of-the-2016-15-mbp.2026475/

So yeah, basically, stop whining, man up and return it if it's not suitable for you. Note that's not me saying "You should love it as it's amazing!" as you seem to think. That's me saying if it's not up to your standards, then return the bloody thing! But understand that people are different, and they have different requirements. Just because you do not like something does not make it 'crap'. I can like it whilst also seeing the faults which gives me enough knowledge to say to you, that it's not for you... Move on. Try a Windows machine if you think that'll make you happy or whatever, I don't care anymore. Clearly you just want to hate and cause disruption, so what's the point?
[doublepost=1484407302][/doublepost]I see your first thread was https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/so-much-anger-and-bitterness-here-and-everywhere-why.2011158/ complaining about hate, then a few months later you make a post like this? Okay I'm out.

 

[Queen6]

OP has a valid point from "his perspective, Sometimes you need to use the hardware for an extended period of time before you can really decide. Personally I was lucky enough to be in a position to try both high tier 13" & 15" 2016 MBP`s, realising that they would be problematic versus my usage/workflow.

What I don't agree with is the personal attacks, been there, done that, and working on stopping It only serves to rile people and for the most part unnecessary unless the responder is being a complete & absolute ass and deserves the same.

Same for me the dongle situation simply doesn't work (no response needed to defend Apple`s finest) it`s related to workflow & situation, safe to say this rMB in front of me has been a headache all day, sanity restored by Surface Book as I need the USB A to get everything working, add USB C in to the mix is it Apple? is it the third party providers? who knows, one thing is certain "does not work as expected". No MicroSoft did not save the day USB A did, no argument needed

OP`s location prohibits any physical return, Norway is spectacularly expensive for Apple products, so give him a break. I work globally, cultures & attitudes vary immensely; language, interpretation of the same can raise barriers with frequently the written word being preferred to a voice call.

One of the major attractions of MR is that it is a strong community, and we can feel free to speak both positively & negatively towards Apple, if it was to become a "one way street" it would become very dull indeed a point worth thinking on...

Q-6

 

[montanaco]

Posts like this should be deleted instantly by mods. Not because it's anti-Apple, but because the first sentence begs readers not to comment. Lol??? This is a forum for sensible discussion, not rants on either end.

 

[WhiteWhaleHolyGrail]

OP has a valid point from "his perspective, Sometimes you need to use the hardware for an extended period of time before you can really decide. Personally I was lucky enough to be in a position to try both high tier 13" & 15" 2016 MBP`s, realising that they would be problematic versus my usage/workflow.

What I don't agree with is the personal attacks, been there, done that, and working on stopping It only serves to rile people and for the most part unnecessary unless the responder is being a complete & absolute ass and deserves the same.

Same for me the dongle situation simply doesn't work (no response needed to defend Apple`s finest) it`s related to workflow & situation, safe to say this rMB in front of me has been a headache all day, sanity restored by Surface Book as I need the USB A to get everything working, add USB C in to the mix is it Apple? is it the third party providers? who knows, one thing is certain "does not work as expected". No MicroSoft did not save the day USB A did, no argument needed

OP`s location prohibits any physical return, Norway is spectacularly expensive for Apple products, so give him a break. I work globally, cultures & attitudes vary immensely; language, interpretation of the same can raise barriers with frequently the written word being preferred to a voice call.

One of the major attractions of MR is that it is a strong community, and we can feel free to speak both positively & negatively towards Apple, if it was to become a "one way street" it would become very dull indeed a point worth thinking on...

Q-6

OP is forcing his opinion though - this is where people draw the line. Genuine patient advice has been given and OP has responded with personal attacks simply because he disagrees. Do you not think the OP should give everyone a break?

For the avoidance of doubt, there is no excuse for conflating the expression of opinion with dictating to people, on here or anywhere.

I certainly won't post further on this thread or assist the OP until he learns some manners.

 

[Queen6]

OP is forcing his opinion though - this is where people draw the line. Genuine patient advice has been given and OP has responded with personal attacks simply because he disagrees. Do you not think the OP should give everyone a break?

For the avoidance of doubt, there is no excuse for conflating the expression of opinion with dictating to people, on here or anywhere.

I certainly won't post further on this thread or assist the OP until he learns some manners.

Well what I think similar to email; there`s a time to respond and and a time to ignore, which in some circumstance can be far more effective

What I think is; intelligent debate interests; understanding & reasoning, attacking is only ever a downward spiral to the thread being locked. Another way to look at it, we are here, as we are passionate about Mac`s & OS X, tempers will flair, arguments ensue, the personal aspect is a step too far. Not finger pointing or appointing blame here - personal attacks run both up & down the line.

The 2016 MBP is very much a polarising product, therefore we should expect, shall we say heated debate on it`s merits...

Q-6

 

[boilingDream]

Might happen earlier than that if, as I suspect, Microsoft is preparing a new, non Windows, Linux based OS.

That's interesting. Are there rumors about that?

Anyway, I think you will be pleased with a Linux distro like Ubuntu or Elementary OS. Ubuntu runs better and looks better than MacOS on my Macbook Air. I only miss a few Mac spesific apps.

 

[xraydoc]

ihatetoregister, I think - as others have said - that a USB-C/TB3 dock will go a long way to resolving a lot of your concerns, especially for that picture you posted of all the cables & adapters hanging off the laptop. Even with tons of legacy ports, all those cables coming off my laptop would drive me bonkers.

I honestly can't speak about the battery life on the 13" TB model, but I had a 13" nTB and the battery life was awesome, even under heavy load. I exchanged it for the 15" and even on that, the battery life has been amazing. Be aware that apps that activate the dGPU will reduce the battery life, but that's totally expected and honestly there's no way around that. Any machine from any manufacturer will eat battery power with a dGPU active.

I carry a USB-C to Lightning cable in my laptop case. This way I can charge my iPhone (and iPad if I also have it with me) without worrying about adapters. And if I travel, I only need to carry one power supply (87w power brick --> MBP --> iPhone).

I have a small 2TB USB 3.0 (with the wide USB micro connector) external hard drive and I made sure to replace the cable on it with a quality USB-C cable. Eliminates the need for an adapter.

I also have in my laptop case a USB-C to VGA adapter for when I need to connect to a projector at work. But even with previous Apple laptops (or most PC laptops, honestly), one would need a VGA adapter anyway, so it's not an additional burden imposed by Apple's use of only USB-C ports.

As I think others have mentioned, a USB stick flash drive with a USB-C connector on one end and a conventional USB connector on the other will solve your issues there. And if you use a conventional USB stick with Apple's adapter, there is no right-side up/wrong-side up problem. It's completely reversible... even when using a conventional USB device on it.

Oh, your issue with the MagSafe is totally valid, however. I often need to plug in at home where pets, kids and wife can happen to walk by and bump the charging cable. I invested in the Belkin MagSafe-equivalent cable for charging at home. Not as elegant as Apple's was, but it will save your machine in the right situation. It's not something I carry with me in my laptop bag -- it stays at home. I'm not worried about knocking my machine over if it's charging on my desk at work or in a hotel room.

 

[capelesshero]

Disclaimer: If you are a ranter please scroll down.

Perhaps I'm not a real "Pro" user, but the whole time I've used my new MBP I haven't had an issue with dongles. I have the usb c to usb 3.0 adapter and bought a usb c to lightning for my iPhone and I have been completely fine. I have windows 10 installed through bootcamp and I think this computer is a better windows machine than some windows only computers. I use excel, autocad, visual studios, word and this computer handles everything natively. There are many sides to every story.

 

[ihatetoregister]

OP has a valid point from "his perspective, Sometimes you need to use the hardware for an extended period of time before you can really decide. Personally I was lucky enough to be in a position to try both high tier 13" & 15" 2016 MBP`s, realising that they would be problematic versus my usage/workflow.

What I don't agree with is the personal attacks, been there, done that, and working on stopping It only serves to rile people and for the most part unnecessary unless the responder is being a complete & absolute ass and deserves the same.

Same for me the dongle situation simply doesn't work (no response needed to defend Apple`s finest) it`s related to workflow & situation, safe to say this rMB in front of me has been a headache all day, sanity restored by Surface Book as I need the USB A to get everything working, add USB C in to the mix is it Apple? is it the third party providers? who knows, one thing is certain "does not work as expected". No MicroSoft did not save the day USB A did, no argument needed

OP`s location prohibits any physical return, Norway is spectacularly expensive for Apple products, so give him a break. I work globally, cultures & attitudes vary immensely; language, interpretation of the same can raise barriers with frequently the written word being preferred to a voice call.

One of the major attractions of MR is that it is a strong community, and we can feel free to speak both positively & negatively towards Apple, if it was to become a "one way street" it would become very dull indeed a point worth thinking on...

Q-6

Thank you for the sensible opinion

OP is forcing his opinion though

...what ? On the contrary, I suggested if you like your machine just don't waste your time reading this. It's literally the first sentence. You people are just angry I don't like this iteration.

Posts like this should be deleted instantly by mods. Not because it's anti-Apple, but because the first sentence begs readers not to comment. Lol??? This is a forum for sensible discussion, not rants on either end.

Well it's not exactly that, I think if you're happy with you're machine there's no point reading this rant (which I absolutely, from the very start, literally the 4th word, advertise as such).
The same way if someone creates a "I just completely love this machine" thread and ask to not comment if you're going to say you don't like it, I would definitely not ocmment there and say something along the lines of "well you're wrong to like it, because it sucks!".
However, somehow (I.e. the fanboy effect) the reverse seems to be acceptable...
You even have, on this very page, a person complaining this is a rant ?! I mean, for real ?

That's interesting. Are there rumors about that?

Anyway, I think you will be pleased with a Linux distro like Ubuntu or Elementary OS. Ubuntu runs better and looks better than MacOS on my Macbook Air. I only miss a few Mac spesific apps.

These are just guesses, I don't own any solid proof of any of this and that's just my guess :
For those not familiar with Microsoft over the past 7 years or so, the company took a huge turn from its traditional "become the monopoly, conquer & destroy" approach because they finally understood it's unsustainable.
I believe the realization came with the fall of the giant, Internet Explorer.
Since then, (IE8 was a milestone I would say), Microsoft has been more and open towards standards, open source, and just playing nice. You can see this continues again and again (Azure service for instance, the so-called open cloud platform), and recently there was a mini revolution in the MS world : the inclusion of the Ubuntu subsystem in Windows, which is a HUGE step in a direction they never took before.
To me this, along with some ex-colleagues now working as evangelists for MS and being fairly mysterious about "MS is really changing a lot" without telling more, and the fact a few people I know (but won't name) who worked on some core projects there mentioned things like "it's not so much that they don't want to change Windows /IE etc, it's just that they have to cater to a large public who get mad everytime they change the slightest thing".
To me, all this point to one thing : Microsoft can't get away from Windows, and its users.they'd be pissed, and they might switch for something not Window-ish.
From there I think the only path, if you want to make a really new OS which makes more sense, if you want to make something more catered to both the public and the programmers - exactly where macOS lives today -, if you want to make somehting that looks good and is simple (think Apple Mail vs Outlook, for instance) is to make a new OS and keep Windows as the main product. So "old" people and company can stay on Windows forever, and then they can cater for the kind of people who would go for macOS or Linux.
So no rumors, but my own guess, and I really hope I'm right and the thing I read between the lines from ex-colleagues are actually about that What do you think ?

Haven't used Ubuntu since 2010, when I still had drivers problems. In general, I haven't found anything as nice as macOS for doing both my work (web development) and leisure and look good. but it's definitely on my list to revisit.

ihatetoregister, I think - as others have said - that a USB-C/TB3 dock will go a long way to resolving a lot of your concerns, especially for that picture you posted of all the cables & adapters hanging off the laptop. Even with tons of legacy ports, all those cables coming off my laptop would drive me bonkers.

I honestly can't speak about the battery life on the 13" TB model, but I had a 13" nTB and the battery life was awesome, even under heavy load. I exchanged it for the 15" and even on that, the battery life has been amazing. Be aware that apps that activate the dGPU will reduce the battery life, but that's totally expected and honestly there's no way around that. Any machine from any manufacturer will eat battery power with a dGPU active.

I carry a USB-C to Lightning cable in my laptop case. This way I can charge my iPhone (and iPad if I also have it with me) without worrying about adapters. And if I travel, I only need to carry one power supply (87w power brick --> MBP --> iPhone).

I have a small 2TB USB 3.0 (with the wide USB micro connector) external hard drive and I made sure to replace the cable on it with a quality USB-C cable. Eliminates the need for an adapter.

I also have in my laptop case a USB-C to VGA adapter for when I need to connect to a projector at work. But even with previous Apple laptops (or most PC laptops, honestly), one would need a VGA adapter anyway, so it's not an additional burden imposed by Apple's use of only USB-C ports.

As I think others have mentioned, a USB stick flash drive with a USB-C connector on one end and a conventional USB connector on the other will solve your issues there. And if you use a conventional USB stick with Apple's adapter, there is no right-side up/wrong-side up problem. It's completely reversible... even when using a conventional USB device on it.

Oh, your issue with the MagSafe is totally valid, however. I often need to plug in at home where pets, kids and wife can happen to walk by and bump the charging cable. I invested in the Belkin MagSafe-equivalent cable for charging at home. Not as elegant as Apple's was, but it will save your machine in the right situation. It's not something I carry with me in my laptop bag -- it stays at home. I'm not worried about knocking my machine over if it's charging on my desk at work or in a hotel room.

Absolutely agreed with all you said. About the battery, I think the 13" TB is in the particularly bad spot. High-ish TDP, low battery capacity. they really, really should have gone for Kaby Lake. And contrary to what the trolls said in another thread, it would have been absolutely possible, they did go with 2 different generation on 13 & 15" before so it's not liek it's craaaazy.
Dock should help, and lobo1978 - much like you - also seems to say cables are better than adapters (although as an engineer, i'm kinda of wondering how is that possible ? ) . And yeah sure, I could replace my USB sticks but... more costs ? Hmmmf

Disclaimer: If you are a ranter please scroll down.

Perhaps I'm not a real "Pro" user, but the whole time I've used my new MBP I haven't had an issue with dongles. I have the usb c to usb 3.0 adapter and bought a usb c to lightning for my iPhone and I have been completely fine. I have windows 10 installed through bootcamp and I think this computer is a better windows machine than some windows only computers. I use excel, autocad, visual studios, word and this computer handles everything natively. There are many sides to every story.

And you know what, I agree with you - for Windows, at least.
It was even more obvious "back in the day" : Running Windows on Parralllels made for a faster windows than the windows on other employee's laptops ! And it was back in 2007.

For the dongles I just find that awful.
I mean let's be honest you're not going to use all the 4 USB-C ports -especially since the whole point is you can daisy chain devices on them !
There is actually a technical reason that made Apple unable to do otherwise, so it's less by design and more by bad implementation that they came up with 4 USB-C ports instead of 2 + some other ports. I can't refer you to the exact post that explain why and how but I'm sure you can find it.
There's no good reason to be forced into this stupidity, other than this actual incompetence.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

Dude I don't know how it works where you live but for me if your job is getting you a nice machine and spend a ******** compared to a PC employee, you're being nice and don't add some more wasted time and money to them by reordering something else, move your dev env again etc.
Maybe it's fine in your book, but it's not in mine (and I suspect, in my boss'either.

Speaking as someone in an admin position with the authority to approve large purchases, if I gave someone the green light to make a purchase like this, it was crap and they kept it anyway I would be pretty pissed at them for not being a better manager of the resources I have allocated to them.

 

[thesaint024]

@ihatetoregister, I think I get your situation. Forgive me if I'm presuming. You thought this would work, failed a little bit in the due diligence department, now you don't want this to be the first impression after spending your employer's money on this. Again, like people have been saying, if they find out you were miserable with your setup (even if due to your own fault), they'll probably think you're a bigger idiot. Fact of the matter is you're a new employee, still in honeymoon phase, and computer costs are a drop in the bucket to them compared to the cost of YOU. If you man up and say "I made a mistake, I'd like to fix it", you'd probably get cred with your new employer instead of sitting in misery due to embarrassment. You will probably save them some money. Obviously YMMV, but if your employer doesn't think that way, I question their judgment on seeing the bigger picture here. For god's sake, PLEASE get a different computer!

 

[ihatetoregister]

Speaking as someone in an admin position with the authority to approve large purchases, if I gave someone the green light to make a purchase like this, it was crap and they kept it anyway I would be pretty pissed at them for not being a better manager of the resources I have allocated to them.

You might be right. Maybe it's just me.
I was told I was wrong to not ask to be sent at a conference, because I just joined, in the same register.
Maybe it's because I grew up without much money (and I'm not saying that as a pity thought or whatever you call that, I'm more lucky than most people nowadays so I'm ok with a past I or my parents had no hands into), but it feels like... I don't know, spoiled kid ? Like "oh you know that 4000$ Mac I made you buy and be ok with me holding onto my personal computer AT WORK for about a month and a half even if it's against the rules ? Yeah I don't want it anymore".
But yeah, might just be my view, and in fact they'd be ok with me returning it. I just don't really want to take the chance and risking being a pain in the ass, you know ?

@ihatetoregister, I think I get your situation. Forgive me if I'm presuming. You thought this would work, failed a little bit in the due diligence department, now you don't want this to be the first impression after spending your employer's money on this. Again, like people have been saying, if they find out you were miserable with your setup (even if due to your own fault), they'll probably think you're a bigger idiot. Fact of the matter is you're a new employee, still in honeymoon phase, and computer costs are a drop in the bucket to them compared to the cost of YOU. If you man up and say "I made a mistake, I'd like to fix it", you'd probably get cred with your new employer instead of sitting in misery due to embarrassment. You will probably save them some money. Obviously YMMV, but if your employer doesn't think that way, I question their judgment on seeing the bigger picture here. For god's sake, PLEASE get a different computer!

Hey thanks man, yes you get it.
I'm not sure I fail that much in the diligence department though, as in : I read quite a lot of posts but you had so many people, presumably fanboys (and forgive me for using this word but this is really what it is), who said "you get used to it" (keyboard) , "battery is fine" (it's really not), "dongles aren't a big problem", you end up giving it a try to make your own mind, you know ?
Anyway, now it's more a "hey, sucks to be me" situation I'm trying to laugh about -especially when, believe it or not, I have a few colleagues calling me an Apple fanboy - , or rant about, until I can switch to either a better Mac or a PC.
And also, believe it or not, I kept a really open mind about it all. I was actually wondering at the start why there was so much polarization and conflict on this machine (it's one of my thread), but I grew up not to like it, but to dislike it even more.
Read macalways' short and funny comment on top of page 2, which summarize it : Yep, I was hoping for it to become a prince, or at least a machine I'd tolerate after a while