Production of 13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro and Updated iMacs Reportedly Ramping Up

[jpdunford]

Border fraud. Nice.

It's no different from moving house to another country and taking my 1 year old laptop with me...doesn't matter if it's been open in country A for 5 seconds or 5 years before moving to country B.

It's not Apple's fault that your country charges excessive tax. They shouldn't have to take a profit hit because of it, so comparing prices without tax to a price with VAT included remains disingenuous.

VAT in the UK is 20%. The price difference is like 30-40%.

US price is still about 18% cheaper than UK price pre-tax.

I don't understand why you are revolving your comments around VAT, what I am trying to say is there is obviously something else there.

 

[doobybiggs]

As for the iMac, Apple originally planned to release three new models with upgraded panels and CPUs,

They say 3 new models ... if they have confirmed the 21.5" and 27" .... what is the 3rd size? a 25" or 29-30"?

 

[heisenberg123]

Good question. I have no idea.

I personally think they would use the same dual core CPU from the non-retina MBP 13 to keep a competitive price. But they will have to add a dedicated GPU, because the Intel HD Graphics 4000 is not powerful enough (I guess) to handle the retina display and its high resolution.

ya agreed which makes me curious about the price, if the CPU and GPU get an upgrade that could push costs to 1799-1999 for the 13" rentina which is a high price for a 13" computer, i guess time will tell

 

[jpdunford]

Any why does everyone on an internet message board have to argue/insult/disagree with everything others say lol?

I mean I'm all for a friendly debate...but when people get rude or insult their "opponent", it doesn't add anything to their "side" at all...

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They say 3 new models ... if they have confirmed the 21.5" and 27" .... what is the 3rd size? a 25" or 29-30"?

The "3rd size" could possibly be another 21.5 or 27 - as people here have been saying.

It's like the MacBook Pro - there are "3 models" 13-inch, 15-inch and 15-inch retina.

 

[gguerini]

Yeah, you're wrong. Try building a non-retina 15" out with the same specs as a retina in the online store.

Spoiler alert: it's cheaper to go with the retina when you're comparing similarly spec'ed MBPs

Yeah, but I'm not comparing specs here. I'm comparing two models: non-retira and retina. And applying the same price difference from the 15' model (which is more or less 22%/27%), I got to the possible prince range of the MBP 13 retina. That's all I did.

 

[doobybiggs]

The "3rd size" could possibly be another 21.5 or 27 - as people here have been saying.

It's like the MacBook Pro - there are "3 models" 13-inch, 15-inch and 15-inch retina.

hmmm retina 27"? say hello to a $4k desktop lol

I really hope it is a new size and not retina, at least until they figure out the retina issues and greatly decrease the occurrence of retina screen issues.

 

[wallysb01]

I seem to recall Intel bragging about the new Ivy Bridge (or third generation core-processors as Intel wants peoe to say) integrated graphics being able to handle anything up to 4K. Although I don't remember whether or not that only applied to the desktop versions or not.

I might be wrong, but I don't think HD4000 can handle 4K. At least that's what I read here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5773/intels-ivy-bridge-an-htpc-perspective/8

I don't think it will matter for desktops, since you'll have the space for a video card if you really want 4K, and for laptops the screens are so small anyway you probably don't even need 4K.

 

[G4DP]

Poor screen yields?

That's what you get for using a second rate supplier like LG.

 

[Allenbf]

It's no different from moving house to another country and taking my 1 year old laptop with me...doesn't matter if it's been open in country A for 5 seconds or 5 years before moving to country B.




VAT in the UK is 20%. The price difference is like 30-40%.

US price is still about 18% cheaper than UK price pre-tax.

I don't understand why you are revolving your comments around VAT, what I am trying to say is there is obviously something else there.

So you're saying I can make a living buying Apple products and flying across the pond to sell them a few times per week??

 

[mikethebigo]

Hate to say it... but I think I'm going to have to wait on the retina 13 MBP until the next generation of intel processors comes out. That is, unless Apple squeezed a discrete graphics card in. Which I don't think they did.

Also, I wouldn't be upset if Digitimes was never quoted on MacRumors ever again. Why even bother - they just make things up.

 

[Faux Carnival]

I was hoping for a 24" iMac.

Me too, for years... That would be SOMETHING if announced.

 

[dcorban]

I preferred my ipad 2 over my new ipad, all retina did was make it hot, thicker, heavier and take forever to charge, the display on the ipad2 was nice as it was

I don't own an iPad, but I compared the 2 and 3 side-by-side with the same content. It was no contest. The iPad 2 looked unreadable compared to the newer model.

 

[Hakone]

27" iMac = too big
21" iMac = too small
24" iMac = just right

20", 24", 27"

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No Mac mini ?

I know right?

Just give us USB 3.0 and a 'Solid' GPU and let my wallet take care of the rest.

 

[stevendshen]

Seems like chinese workers are less interested in macs than they are in ios devices

 

[Shiner986]

To me the most exciting prospect of a retina IMac is not for display reasons, but because in order to push out that many pixels they would have to finally switch to a desktop GPU. (On second thought I guess they don't HAVE to but it seems utterly foolish to still use a mobile GPU on a 27" retina screen IMO). The iMac could definitely benefit from a more powerful GPU.

 

[NutsNGum]

I might be wrong, but I don't think HD4000 can handle 4K.

It's an iMac, integrated graphics would never be in use.

 

[ChrisA]

I'm interested in both these releases. However my interest in the 13" rMBP will disappear if there is not a Quad Core option and if it doesn't have a dedicated GPU. Just not enough benefit going to a rMBP for just a bit thinner, lighter and a better display while losing built in gb ethernet, FW800, user upgradability etc.

Hoping the new iMacs really has improved anti-glare qualities that have been rumored. If not then that won't be an viable option for me either.

The mirror-like display on my iMac is not to bad bacuse I can orient the screen so there is nothing bright in back of me.

But the mirror-like (aka "glossy") Macbooks screen is very poor. I can't believe Apple makes these especially when years ago they made better screens.

This has to be the #1 most requested feature. Does Apple realy save so much money by not adding an anti-reflective coating. How much could it cost. Even a $250 LCD TV set has this.

 

[Bendrix]

Seems like chinese workers are less interested in macs than they are in ios devices

Or they're not being told to leak pics! But that sounds conspiratorial.

 

[sshhoott]

13" rMBP choppy animations

The Ivy Bridge graphics of rMBP 13" won't be enough to deliver a smooth experience. Just look at the 15" rMBP when it's running on Intel Graphics, its choppy as heck. Now you, might be thinking that there is a difference in the number of pixels. Yes there is, but how different is 2880 by 1800 and 2560 by 1600?

Expect to get awful graphics out of rMBP 13", and this time you won't be able to switch to the discrete GPU! The hardware just won't be strong enough, you have to wait for Haswell for a good Graphics performance.

 

[Moonjumper]

Keep in mind that retina classificaiton doesn't necessarily mean doubling the existing resolution. As someone said previously, even a 150% increase in resolution for the 27" iMac or TBD could possibly provide retina-esque viewing.

They didn't need to double the resolution of the MBP either. Retina resolutions work by doubling the resolution of the graphical assets. They will do the same again unless they have created a new solution, which seems doubtful at this time.

The mirror-like display on my iMac is not to bad bacuse I can orient the screen so there is nothing bright in back of me.

But the mirror-like (aka "glossy") Macbooks screen is very poor. I can't believe Apple makes these especially when years ago they made better screens.

This has to be the #1 most requested feature. Does Apple realy save so much money by not adding an anti-reflective coating. How much could it cost. Even a $250 LCD TV set has this.

I cannot stand the glossy screen either (part of why I have stuck with my white 24" iMac), but most anti-reflective coatings have a side effect of blurring the image as they diffuse the light, so I understand why Apple have done it. There are new anti-reflective technologies, but the only use on the market is a moth eye coating on a top end Philips TV, which costs over £2000.

Sharp showed their IGZO screen tech combined with moth eye anti-reflection at the recent IFA show. I hope the Apple rumours about IGZO also mean we will get moth eye.

 

[ctdonath]

hmmm retina 27"? say hello to a $4k desktop lol

Adjusting for inflation, the first IBM PC cost about $6000.
About two million times the computer, for 2/3rd the price? [dislocates elbow reaching for credit card so fast]

 

[foijord]

I'm interested in both these releases. However my interest in the 13" rMBP will disappear if there is not a Quad Core option and if it doesn't have a dedicated GPU. Just not enough benefit going to a rMBP for just a bit thinner, lighter and a better display while losing built in gb ethernet, FW800, user upgradability etc.

I agree, a rMBP without a discrete GPU doesn't make sense on any level.

 

[JohnDoe98]

The Ivy Bridge graphics of rMBP 13" won't be enough to deliver a smooth experience. Just look at the 15" rMBP when it's running on Intel Graphics, its choppy as heck. Now you, might be thinking that there is a difference in the number of pixels. Yes there is, but how different is 2880 by 1800 and 2560 by 1600?

Expect to get awful graphics out of rMBP 13", and this time you won't be able to switch to the discrete GPU! The hardware just won't be strong enough, you have to wait for Haswell for a good Graphics performance.

Nonsense, my rmbp runs just fine and smooth on the igpu. That being said, my replacement screen was an LG screen, and after a month it has started to show image retention issues, so I might have to take it in to complain. My advice to anyone buying the Retina Macs, just return them until you get a Samsung screen. My initial screen was a Samsung and it was slightly brighter, translating into slightly more battery life, roughly 20-30 minutes, and it had no image retention issues. I had to swap it out due to hotspots after a month of use though.

So my only complaint with the Retina screens is the yields seem to be subpar, and sometimes the problems only manifest themselves after a month. Those are the pains of being an early adopter I suppose.

 

[GorgonPhone]

I want to see what the 13" rMBP can do.

i will buy one next year

 

[macchiato2009]

sooo cooooool we've been waiting for 13" MBP Retina with Ghosting option for ages