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Again like others you are basing this on the US

In the UK and Europe the trade in offers are simply not there at all. If anything you get no more than Apple these days which isn’t much

The S10 plus 512GB went for only £500-£550 months are release. One year after the previous iPhone for same storage you could get at least £700-£800

i just found it for 480 pound. msrp im guessing 1100 pound?

if you can sell yours for 700-800 pound you are a shrewd negotiator, but if you are buying it for 700-800 pound than sorry mate you getting ripped off.
 
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Do you have KNOX or S-pen or memory cards support? One can run Windows on Macs too but so what? These are ARM based computers. What we are discussing specifically is the "delay" between Google's release of Android and Samsung's release of their Android based on the same Google version. Are you suggesting that Samsung should release Google's version of Android right away. It won't work (and would be lacking a lot of features even if it did). Let's add support for things like TOF sensor, interface to Samsung TVs to the list of features missing in Google's Android.
Those are all features ADDED to Android. Your comparing application software support to core OS functions.
And yes, SD card support is baked into Android.
Just because a Pixel device doesn’t use a memory card, doesn’t mean the support isn’t there.

So to get back to your original claim. There is no Samsung OS variant of Android running on Galaxy phones. All core OS functions and Google services are the same as any Pixel device.
When Google releases their monthly security update, there is nothing Samsung is required to do it it to make it work in their phones. They drop it in a signed installation package and deploy it. Some times they’ll ADD their own updates to it. Most of the time they don’t. That’s the modular nature of Android.

There are some device specific features added by Samsung, as does other vendors do the same, even the Pixel line has unique features, but they all use Google’s flavor of Android.
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I'll concede that there are only so many ways these manufacturers can design a case for storing and recharging the individual ear pieces, but at the same time, it could NOT be more obvious here that Samsung was eyeing AirPods for the jumping off point in designing the buds. Like these these things look a helluva lot closer to those than say, Jabra's wireless ear buds.
The Buds are based on their previous Gear Icon X line. Which came out before the AirPods were even known to exist. It’s an iteration of their own design.
 
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Stop with the “real multitasking” BS. Android will randomly suspend and kill off processes the same as an iPhone. Curious, do you even understand how multi threading/multitasking works on iOS and Android? They are far more similar than you think, and both are significantly behind Windows or macOS.

Have you used Dex? It’s a joke. Samsung already dropped Linux on Dex (which many were claiming was some sort of developer holy grail). So much for that. Dex itself is far less useful than people think, especially when running those Fisher Price Android Apps that don’t even scale up or become useful when they’re shown on a big screen.


You’re “pretty sure that you got Android updated on your phone soon after it was released by Samsung (because Samsung devices use Samsung OS, just like Apple devices use Apple OS).” Seriously, do you even know anything at all about Android and Samsung?


How come I can't maintain my VNC connection on my iPad to my PC when I switch away from the app for more than 5 seconds? It's so ****ing annoying. I will say the reconnection is fast, but still a bitch. Using RealVNC. No problems on Android. Stays open for hours, and definitely when I want to send a text and get back to it.
 
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  • Enjoy your 16GB of RAM - you'll need at least half of it to run that god-awful bloatware Samsung loads on top of Android
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Err have you used a Samsung phone recently?

Samsung One UI is not the bloatware craphole Touchwiz was. Though I wish the iPhone had more RAM or at least better RAM management.
 
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Right..... but it’s not consistent, is it?
The DEFAULT is 60hz, sooooo.
I think he means when it's on, it's on almost all the time.

Arguing that since it can be turned off (and off by default) that it's not "consistent" seems a bit cheeky, eh? Like if the phone comes muted, it's doesn't have consistent sound because you have to turn it on lol?
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  • No one gives a s**t about 8K video and shouldn't for like a decade at least
  • More pixels in a camera ≠ better image quality
  • Samsung campers have criticized the iPhone's camera bump for years, only to introduce the absolute fugliest one yet of anyone in the industry
  • Enjoy your 16GB of RAM - you'll need at least half of it to run that god-awful bloatware Samsung loads on top of Android
  • "Galaxy Buds" are a clear and blatant rip off of the AirPods (I'm guessing they were so busy trying to even catch up that they had no time to come up with a more original design)
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Apple is king of bloat. What are you talking about lol? Apple Maps, Stocks, Notes, etc etc. When Samsung includes their own Memo pad, Browser, etc, you call that bloat? Is Bixby bloat but not Siri?

Or are you referring to ATT crap?
 
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J2 - $80
J3 - $110
A10e - $180
A20 - $180
A30 - $200
A70 - $350
S10e - $700
S10 - $800

That's not counting S8, Note 8, S9, Not 9 etc.

S10 was released less than a year ago. This event was about the flagship phones. Samsung releases new models all year round. Also, one should not compare $700 iPhone 11 to $1000 Galaxy S20. It's closer to A70 (but without AMOLED)

Yes, was aware of pricing as you posted, and that’s what I was talking about. I was not comparing $700 iPhone to $1000 S20. Was comparing iPhone 11 to an imaginary, and new, roughly $700 “S20e”, that did not happen.

S10 and S10e were both released at same time, with the other in S10 series, very close to a year ago.

I looked further, and found that Samsung intentionally decided to omit a new “e” model in this S rollout...ie no S20e. Instead, the new “S10 Lite“, (just first released a few weeks ago in some markets), is what they intend to fill the mid price “newly issued” S model gap the S10e filled a year ago. Its specs seem like a refreshed S10e. But is not yet offered on USA Samsung site as of now.
 
Its sad to see so many petty fan boy comments that have no substance, or referring back to an issue Samsung had in 2014 assuming that issue still exists.

Looking at the specs Samsung has made a pretty good phone, Apple needs to respond.
 
I own and have used galaxy, One Plus and huawei phones over the past number of years having moved away from iOS with the iPhone 3Gs.

In any case, my most recent daily drivers are a Galaxy Note 10 Plus and as of two weeks ago an iPhone 11 Pro Max.

Having been away from iOS for a while (and honestly beating it over the head ) when I would see memory specs etc... I've since experienced that the sum of whole integrated ecosystem from Apple provides a better experience for my tastes.

I was originally put off by the notch on the iPhone and why I resisted the Iphone Xs max. However experiencing face id for purchase and simply unlocking my phone, the front facing hardware on the Galaxy note 10 (and likely this S20 Ultra) simply cannot compete.
Face unlock is slow and clunky on the Note 10.

As for the remaining specifications on the S20 Ultra - it appears to be tacking on features for feature sake than really thought out groundbreaking usability - the 120HZ refresh only works at a 1080 resolution. If you want full resolution then you are back to 60 Hz refresh (MKBHD sourced).

I also agree about the pixelcount/pixel size. People get VERY hung up on megapixels. I have a Samsung Frame 65" tv at home. People legitimately think that it is a photo when they walk into our living room. More the point is that it is 65" is size and displaying 8 megapixels. I'd prefer to have larger but fewer pixels for better low light gathering and better color accuracy personally. The 12mp on the iPhone , Google Pixel etc.. are the right approach IMHO.

As for the other comments that I have read here.

One UI 2.0 is NOT the bloated mess of yesteryear for my tastes. I really like it.
I do dislike that I cannot uninstall facebook , I can merely disable it. I also dislike that the Samsung Galaxy Ultra will likely come with duplicate apps that cannot be uninstalled in the same vein.

As for CPU performance, I believe that the A12 already smokes the snapdragon 865 so I doubt the A13s throne isn't going to be threatened by this generation of SD processors. Really though, outside of gaming, I've never found any phone (Android or iOS) to be "slow" for many years.
Where I have found a difference is in battery life. My iPhone 11 Pro Max lasts invariably longer than my note with similar applications installed and usage.
I'm guessing apples iOS background handling of battery life as well as more advanced optimized electronics allow for more frugal juice usage. Samsung it throwing raw battery at the problem. Different approaches but I find for my usage that the apple approach is more pragmatic.

At the end of the day I haven't seen anything here today that makes me think that the S20 Ultra will be a more useable product.
Little things like how the U1 chip and wideband allow airpods to "just work" when you open the case near your iPhone.
Again, most of this is the perspective of somebody using both devices and recently (and very quickly falling in love with iOS) and the iPhone 11 Pro Max.
 
FYI, the sensor on the Ultra is HUGE

S20 Ultra main camera is 1/1.33" or 0.75" diagonal

iPhone 11 Pro main camera is 1/2.55" or 0.39" diagonal

said another way, you can fit almost 4 iPhone 11 Pro sensors into the area of the primary camera on the S20 Ultra.
 
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  • No one gives a s**t about 8K video and shouldn't for like a decade at least
  • More pixels in a camera ≠ better image quality
  • Samsung campers have criticized the iPhone's camera bump for years, only to introduce the absolute fugliest one yet of anyone in the industry
  • Enjoy your 16GB of RAM - you'll need at least half of it to run that god-awful bloatware Samsung loads on top of Android
  • "Galaxy Buds" are a clear and blatant rip off of the AirPods (I'm guessing they were so busy trying to even catch up that they had no time to come up with a more original design)
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Nothing wrong with 8k. Just makes the phone more future proof...kinda like them (and Apple more than likely) including 5g in their phone.
 
Nothing wrong with 8k. Just makes the phone more future proof...kinda like them (and Apple more than likely) including 5g in their phone.
A fast processor makes your phone future proof. 4-5 years of OS upgrades makes your phone future proof. A superior App ecosystem and aftermarket support makes your phone future proof.

8K doesn’t make your phone future proof. By the time 8K is common the latest phones will have sensors that vastly outperform the S20. Same with 5G - current devices have early modems that will be outperformed by newer modems around the time 5G is actually widespread.
 
FYI, the sensor on the Ultra is HUGE

S20 Ultra main camera is 1/1.33" or 0.75" diagonal

iPhone 11 Pro main camera is 1/2.55" or 0.39" diagonal

said another way, you can fit almost 4 iPhone 11 Pro sensors into the area of the primary camera on the S20 Ultra.

So for bright light shooting, the Samsung should have a resolution advantage assuming that the lenses are of equal high quality, and diffraction isn't limiting the actual perceived sharpness from images. Given my personal experience with m43 photography where we get into diffraction limits at F8 - F11 with a much larger per pixel size on a m43 sensor, I really doubt that for pragmatic reasons that we will see huge differences in detail going to 108mp on a Galaxy Note 20 Ultra over an iPhone or most other phones on the market for that matter from an ability to resolve 108mp perspective. Most detail improvements in bright light on phones will more likely comes from pixel shifting techniques and computational photography in the long haul where you don't have to worry about diffraction effects but you do have to worry about motion blur IMHO.

For low light, we are comparing 1.4 μm per pixel for the iPhone VS 0.8 μm for the Note 20 Ultra.
Theoretically the iPhone's larger per pixel size **should** allow for better low light before we factor in computational processing , pixel shifting etc...
Having said that, downsampling from a higher megapixel to a lower megapixel does result in improved perceived noise performance.

I'm interested to see how the two cameras compared downsized to the same 4k resolution as my 65" Frame TV. Or downsized to my original Canon 5d (I still have a 20X30 print at home from that!).
 
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So for bright light shooting, the Samsung should have a resolution advantage assuming that the lenses are of equal high quality, and diffraction isn't limiting the actual perceived sharpness from images. Given my personal experience with m43 photography where we get into diffraction limits at F8 - F11 with a much larger per pixel size on a m43 sensor, I really doubt that for pragmatic reasons that we will see huge differences in detail going to 108mp on a Galaxy Note 20 Ultra over an iPhone or most other phones on the market for that matter from an ability to resolve 108mp perspective. Most detail improvements in bright light on phones will more likely comes from pixel shifting techniques and computational photography in the long haul where you don't have to worry about diffraction effects but you do have to worry about motion blur IMHO.

For low light, we are comparing 1.4 μm per pixel for the iPhone VS 0.8 μm for the Note 20 Ultra.
Theoretically the iPhone's larger per pixel size **should** allow for better low light before we factor in computational processing , pixel shifting etc...
Having said that, downsampling from a higher megapixel to a lower megapixel does result in improved perceived noise performance.

I'm interested to see how the two cameras compared downsized to the same 4k resolution as my 65" Frame TV. Or downsized to my original Canon 5d (I still have a 20X30 print at home from that!).

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the pixel size comparison, but lately sensor size has been a larger factor than pixel size (for example A7III has nearly the same low light performance to that of the A7SII). As you mentioned downsampling largely negates the per-pixel advantage we saw with older gen CMOS sensors. Also consider the S20 Ultra sensor will do a 3x pixel bin in normal mode.

Again, the sensor size isn't just a little larger, it's ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE. My calcs may be a little off but we're talking 3x-4x the physical area.
 
Samsung's hardware is superior to Apple's on every level since Cook. The big difference is in software, Samsung can't even compete with Apple, battery performance is mediocre and that bixby button is one of the biggest epic fail decisions of the industry, like that magic mouse rear charging port or the butterfly keyboard / touch bar.

$1000 - $1400 price range is hilarious considering the level of software they put out. Have an S10 sitting next to me.

Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Man, I see why they called it the S20.... Because it will take Apple until the iPhone 20 to match specs. :p

But as we all know with Apple, specs only take you so far. I can’t wait to see their response to this. Although I’m not sure Apple is even capable of producing a phone that compares to this thing.
 
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Unless this thing does the laundry and cooks my food, this is making the $400 new iPhone coming out next month looking better and better.
 
Apple simply cannot make an iPhone 12 or whatever with this same notch and screen. This design is so dated.
The S20 and S20+ are just beautiful. The screen doesn’t look real in some videos I’ve seen. The Ultra is dumb. Who the heck needs to zoom that much!!?
 
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