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Scott Forstall

I7guy said:
I don't agree with most of this post:

- 8.1.1 performance on iPhone 5s is excellent
- have few issues with wifi
- Tim cook is not an inventor; he's the leader. The stock price reflects market sentiment about where Apple is.
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I don't call it excellent when there is wifi issue. And compare it with iOS 7 is slower and buggy. Sometimes app is out if screen and overlap with top bar that have battery info.

That's why i said it. Tim Cook only care about stock price. But Apple is start from Product & Customers satisfactory. Stock can go down like crazy if customers declined the product, no matter how good leader or business skills he have.

It will be fine like this until there is someone like Steve Jobs born in another company and steal the trends.

Who gonna buy crap with high price when there are another option around. But as now still no option exists.

So I say it since I want something worth my money like previous iPhone.

Sorry for bad English, I am not native.
 
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For god sake's people the man is gone, he had a good run but suck it up.

His time at Apple is over and you need to accept that.

Let Ive do his thing and hope for the best, the same goes for Cook.

If you don't like the direction Apple is taking, there are a lot more options out there from the competition.

I just wish they make iOS more stable and faster, so it works at its best. So far I can't complain. ;)
 
One13Truck said:
And that right there is the problem. Ive and Cook are destroying the company. a company I have used and loyally stood behind for 30 years. If we just blindly accept the junk those two throw out at us now things will never get any better. They will just get worse.
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Exactly. It's all about stock price now, Tim cook needs to go.
 
i'm a guy still using my iPhone 5 with iOS 6; so i belong to a (very) minority. It's OK for me, fast and pretty stable with very few hiccups.

The API's and functionalities came with both iOS 7 and iOS 8 are good and necessary to compete with Android; though the presentation and some of the implementations are not compatible with Apple's one important holy book: Human Interface Guideline.

There are too many inconsistencies even just for the settings of a specific function.

For example i don't know any person who can justify the decision to put the toggle for parallax background into under the accessibility settings.

I'm not native to English but i believe i know the meaning of accessibility and settings words.

That setting is not (or at least should not be) for people who just have motion sickness or something like that. Many of my friends couldn't discover where they can turn it off that option by themselves and either asked others or googled for it.

And imo that setting should be under the menu such as Brightness and Wallpaper !

This is just one simple thing i don't know how overseen.

I don't get into the color selection and lack of level of depth... Some people might like all flat but this is a very terrible idea in terms of human interface guidelines when you are uncomfortable how to interact with basic design elements (notice the color and design of the shift key).

Also simple text elements vs iconography again a terrible idea esp. in places such as weather. It's not easy to process "partly cloudy with some bla bla bla" comparing with just look for an icon with the same meaning.

And i know that all of the above have said before too many times and may bore you but still are (at least for me) not to like the design ideas of the new boss.

For the stability part; in software world more functions always means a larger surface to make a mistake (so called bugs) so i can understand the hiccups. But i still believe when you add new features to your software you have to beef up your Q/A policies and infrastructure related with it so that the core functions at least are fully functional.

Anyway should Scott Forstall be back ? Not seems so possible and might not be so good at this stage but i think the current team should stop for a moment and check all these problems and rectify it.
 
hollowplayer said:
Exactly. It's all about stock price now, Tim cook needs to go.
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I am baffled. An American company all about making money and increasing the stock value for its investors? What a counterproductive, capitalistic philosophy!
 
sanke1 said:
At this time it doesn't matter if Forstall is brought back or not.

What matters is Apple must bring back stability and polish in iOS
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So long as they continue to copy Android (even some of it's bugs and glitches) it won't happen.

I think Apple has limited resources i.e not a huge amount of people like the gazillion teams at Google just on Android. It was an amazing strength that they used to use without spreading themselves too thin due to lack of deadlines.

We kind of have ourselves to blame. This is what us techies wanted. No more tacky 3d objects, more customization and freedom. We got it most of what was requested however the double edge sword being lack of refinement in the UX.
 
One13Truck said:
And that right there is the problem. Ive and Cook are destroying the company. a company I have used and loyally stood behind for 30 years. If we just blindly accept the junk those two throw out at us now things will never get any better. They will just get worse.
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Loyally stood behind?...move on if you don't like the way things are. I'm only loyal to my family and friends; they deserve my loyalty not a massive conglomerate.

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hollowplayer said:
Exactly. It's all about stock price now, Tim cook needs to go.
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He is going, not just where you want.
 
JHUFrank said:
I am baffled. An American company all about making money and increasing the stock value for its investors? What a counterproductive, capitalistic philosophy!
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Which works great until you begin pushing the people that actually buy and use your products away. Yosemite isn't exactly the greatest OS ever with a lot of people very unhappy with it. Same for iOS 8. How long does that continue before stocks start falling again?
 
JHUFrank said:
I am baffled. An American company all about making money and increasing the stock value for its investors? What a counterproductive, capitalistic philosophy!
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Exactly. The most valuable company by market capitalisation. They are doing nothing wrong. Software bugs don't drag a share price down. Investors are happy.

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One13Truck said:
Which works great until you begin pushing the people that actually buy and use your products away. Yosemite isn't exactly the greatest OS ever with a lot of people very unhappy with it. Same for iOS 8. How long does that continue before stocks start falling again?
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It won't drop unless profits fall or they do something really bad. It's all about share price and market cap.
 
Out of interest, could somebody make a Forstall version of the Apple Watch. By that I mean round glossy iOS 6 icons.
 
All Jonny has done since taking the reins has been to reverse everything Steve had helped build.

I so hope that Jonny leaves soon, as I no longer enjoy apple products the same way I used to. iOS6 is still being referred to as the golden egg.

And having access to both iOS 6 , iOS 7 , iOS 8 and android devices. I too can say that Apple really dropped the ball when it went past 6. Graphics aside, the core market that apple attracted was based on navigational simplicity and reliability. Since this has been lost all we have seen in return is so simple graphics and some animations that are reminiscent to gif animations hosted on geocities pages.
 
One13Truck said:
I've used Apple products for 30 years. Until they get rid of Ive and fix the crap that is iOS 7/8 and Yosemite I have made my last Apple purchases.
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Change is never easy and Apple risked alienating it's core users, who loved the old way. Apple risked becoming stagnant.

But by changing they got new customers, like me. It's always a balancing act and unlike you I've used apple products going on a year. Can't speak for Yosemite, I use windows desktops and laptops.
 
one13truck said:
if i could dump ios 8.1.1 from my ipad and add ios6 to it i'd do it in a second.
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+1, Even though ios6's design is old need some improvement. There still good bits in ios8 the light weigh feel, animation etc. Just really sick of the flat theme john ive introduce.
 
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I don't care about design all that much. To the extent I do I'm sick of the bright. I don't want the borders on my pictures to toggle between light and dark. Or have the obstructive volume level box covering my content. I'd still much rather have an iOS 6 style interface.
 
Ok iOS7/8 has its UI problems its not bugfree. But iOS never had been bugfree and some of the UI elements have been fixed. So there is very little reason to be so nostalgic about iOS 6 and Scott Forstall. Looks like some people remember only the good things and forget about all the problems. Let me refresh your memory. iOS 6 really lacked functionality and fell behind the competitors. This release was ridiculous. Remember all its great new features? No?! Because it brought nearly nothing (even a few more annoyances like the black status bar) and screwed up maps.

Scott Forstall isn't the holy savior of iOS. He had his time, but his last years weren't great. I think the problems started with iOS 4. This release had even more bugs then iOS 8.0, but wasn't as complex. And there were these forced annoycances like newstand (unable to put in a folder) in iOS 5. Or his unwillingness to offer something like control center. Or think of Siri, which is another example of a bad implementation. This guy wasn't the right one for the needed change of iOS. He was more focused on the perfect visual appearance of a reel to reel tape machine for the podcast app, then adding useful functionality for users and developers. And please do not forget, that a lot of collegues described him as a very difficult person. So I guess nobody is really missing him at Apple.

Apple and Ive are going in the right direction. Opening up iOS while keeping it secure is a good decision. Hopefully they manage to squash out the bugs, refine the UI (contrast/unused space in nc/gamecenter icons etc.) in a future release. Then there will be no reason to look back at iOS 6 and Scott Forstall.
 
Narcaz said:
...Scott Forstall isn't the holy savior of iOS. He had his time, but his last years weren't great. I think the problems started with iOS 4. This release had even more bugs then iOS 8.0, but wasn't as complex. And there were these forced annoycances like newstand (unable to put in a folder) in iOS 5. Or his unwillingness to offer something like control center. Or think of Siri, which is another example of a bad implementation. This guy wasn't the right one for the needed change of iOS. He was more focused on the perfect visual appearance of a reel to reel tape machine for the podcast app, then adding useful functionality for users and developers. And please do not forget, that a lot of collegues described him as a very difficult person. So I guess nobody is really missing him at Apple.

Apple and Ive are going in the right direction. Opening up iOS while keeping it secure is a good decision. Hopefully they manage to squash out the bugs, refine the UI (contrast/unused space in nc/gamecenter icons etc.) in a future release. Then there will be no reason to look back at iOS 6 and Scott Forstall.
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1. What concerns Scott Forstall. He has worked with Jobs since 1992. Was one of those whom Jobs respected, kept close and prefered to others. That was the main problem after Jobs' death. The mentor was gone and Forstall could be hunted down mainly by Ive with the help of Cook. Forstall represented the Jobs' line. Even was considerd to be the successor. "Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement."

2. Fostall is a software engineer. Ive is an industrial designer. And that makes a difference. We can witness it in Yosemite's naïve/primitive art design. Ive should stick with hardware design that he does perfectly and forget the software design field.

3. Apple and Ive are going in the right direction? Where? Any real, true innovations since 2011 in Apple? They do nothing just exploit the name and reputation of Apple that Job's earned this Company.

4. Opening up iOS while keeping it secure is a good decision. Just because Tim Cook has promised more openness doesn’t mean iOS is turning into Android ("I think you will see us open up more in the future,” Cook said, “but not to the degree that we put the customer at risk of having a bad experience.”). It was high time. Maybe late.
 
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