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This is what the SD update actually contained; it was just inefficiently part of a large, overall OS version.

Studio Display Firmware Update 15.4​

  • Adds support for Boot Camp on Intel-based Mac computers
  • Minor stability improvements

The XDR has had several software/firmware updates.

And we haven’t heard any complaints from those XDR users, have we?
 
I admit that I ordered one (I have been waiting for this product so long) and I am still waiting for delivery.
Also I still believe it's a great product (and the camera issue will be addressed), but the whole ARM64 processor 64 GB memory design seems to be an overkill to me.
 
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I have this update problem. Massively annoying. The nearest Genius Bar is 2000 miles away from me. I think it's also preventing an update to 12.3.1 when the monitor is plugged into a computer.
 
All internet connected displays need updates, including most Smart TVs. I’d prefer more of a dumb monitor, but they’re becoming more difficult to find in higher resolution with greater pixel density. And the ones that you can get, often require running Windows if there is ever a feature update released.

But Smart TV have an operating system and can run many applications. Smart TV's are basically more like an iMac than the Apple Studio Display.
 
All internet connected displays need updates, including most Smart TVs. I’d prefer more of a dumb monitor, but they’re becoming more difficult to find in higher resolution with greater pixel density. And the ones that you can get, often require running Windows if there is ever a feature update released.
well studio display doesn’t have much smartness, and no standalone airplay either.
 
I have this. Bought my display the first day it was available, but hadn’t opened it until yesterday. The inability to update the display also led to the update for iOS not going through, until I unclicked the display update.

This is a bit unfortunate. I hope it gets sorted out. There’s no Apple store anywhere near me, nor an authorized repair center. I suppose I could ship it back, but that would be a pain.
 
My guess is that the Apple Studio Display started off as the M1 Pro 27in iMac but it got stripped down to just be an external display. Probably a casualty to supply constraints much like the “high performance” Mac Mini that is still an Intel i5 rather than an M1 Pro.

The “bad” price point is just broader inflation at work and Apple being pretty rigid about hitting their profit margin targets. Note, the new MBPs all cost more than what they replaced. They seem to be able to make A-series and base M-series chips at scale but even the iPhone SE costs more than it did in 2020. I would not be surprised if the prices change on the flagship iPhones this Fall.

I hate to break it to y’all, things are going to cost more without them being obviously more valuable on the spec sheet now. That’s the world we’re living in…
 
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Your comparison does not actually demonstrate that the Studio Display is inferior to the LG 5K, except in regards to its stand, just that it's more expensive.
Did you read it?
1599$ Studio display stand is only adjustable in 1 dimension. Tilt up or down
No height adjustment or vertical adjustment

1599$(+400$) studio display stand allows an extra up and down adjustment
No vertical adjustment

1599$ VESA is not standard but must be chosen at purchase and excludes as stand
No stand

Cable is not removable

Both have equally good speakers, and both have terrible cameras.



Pretty much *any* monitor is objectively a bad investment because you don't buy monitors as an investment.
Obviously this is not True. If you need a monitor with more than 1.000$ it’s job related and an investment.
In addition the studio is *subjectivity* a downgrade.

Objective requires indisputable facts that cannot be denied. Given that the price and feature set puts the display on a decent price point for 5k monitors, people like it and are happy to buy it. In addition it has better speakers and a Webcam (irrespective of quality) than the LG. Ergo it cannot be *objectively* a downgrade

It's is objectively true that the sun is hot.

It is subjectivly true that the sun feels warm today.
the studio display is objectively a downgrade for the money you pay and features you get compared to the LG UltraFine 5K
First off, considering the LG as the predecessor is incorrect. Apple had nothing to do with LGs display. They just sold it. It’s a competing product.
They promoted it as the replacement for their display they discontinued for people to buy. So it’s not incorrect
This display is not useless for professional work. Having done professional print and video workflows I can attest to that. I would love to know what basis you have there for that statement. I wouldn’t grade a Hollywood film on it, but it’s not useless. A good amount of “professionals” I’ve seen use a lot worse than this. A video editor is not going to need an XDR if he isn’t the one grading the film. That statement is just way off base with no context. For someone pumping out YouTube videos for a living like “Rene Getting Ritchie off Apple”, this display would meet his “professional” needs.
I never said the display is useless. I said true tone is useless for work as it distorts the colors, it’s neat as a consumer function.
Your own charts prove it is an upgrade over the LG and thereby being an upgrade from the Thunderbolt Display.
Such as? The list compared studio display,XDR, LG ultra fine 4K and 5K displays.
You want to save $300 and buy a display made of plastic that wobbles all over the table when you type, by all means have at it. The LG is the inferior product here as is the Thunderbolt Display. The Studio display is a well made product that will last a long time and superior to the LG in a few ways.
Unless your display is made of playdo
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The only potential superior thing is it’s made of metal. And I’m saving 700$,
You need to pay 400$ to have a basic stand.
Sure...if you're not fussy about resolution and color.
They have the exact same resolution and color accuracy
 
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Did you read it?
1599$ Studio display stand is only adjustable in 1 dimension. Tilt up or down
No height adjustment or vertical adjustment

1599$(+400$) studio display stand allows an extra up and down adjustment
No vertical adjustment

1599$ VESA is not standard but must be chosen at purchase and excludes as stand
No stand
So you ignored where I said "except in regards to its stand,".

Ignoring price (which is subjective) and the stand, demonstrate how the Studio Display is inferior to the LG 5K. At worst you can say that its as good as the LG5K but overpriced in your opinion.
 
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Obviously this is not True. If you need a monitor with more than 1.000$ it’s job related and an investment

Sigh, what is it with folk these days redefining terms to meet what they personally believe?

To show how your argument holds zero water. Bob needs a computer to run his financials on. He buys a desktop PC. He also needs a keyboard and monitor. He pays $50 for the Keyboard and $199 for the monitor. It’s job related and therefore also qualifies in your terms as “an investment” in his business.

Not sure where you get to be the one who defines what does, and does not qualify as an amount - and usage.

Also, please stop using in the word “objectively”. It absolutely doesn’t mean what you think it means. Your opinion is that it isn’t as good - and that is a 100% valid opinion to have. However it is not a FACT. It’s an opinion.


The rest of your reply is all opinion based.
 
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First off, considering the LG as the predecessor is incorrect. Apple had nothing to do with LGs display. They just sold it. It’s a competing product.

This display is not useless for professional work. Having done professional print and video workflows I can attest to that. I would love to know what basis you have there for that statement. I wouldn’t grade a Hollywood film on it, but it’s not useless. A good amount of “professionals” I’ve seen use a lot worse than this. A video editor is not going to need an XDR if he isn’t the one grading the film. That statement is just way off base with no context. For someone pumping out YouTube videos for a living like “Rene Getting Ritchie off Apple”, this display would meet his “professional” needs.

Your own charts prove it is an upgrade over the LG and thereby being an upgrade from the Thunderbolt Display.

You want to save $300 and buy a display made of plastic that wobbles all over the table when you type, by all means have at it. The LG is the inferior product here as is the Thunderbolt Display. The Studio display is a well made product that will last a long time and superior to the LG in a few ways.
Supposedly Apple was involved in the LG display’s design.
 
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Having a monitor that requires constant software updates is one of the craziest things that ever happened to technology.

Don't even get me started about firing up my TV to watch a show, and it has to run an update before it can do anything. I get it, I'm using smart-TV functionality, but still.
 
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Sigh, what is it with folk these days redefining terms to meet what they personally believe?

To show how your argument holds zero water. Bob needs a computer to run his financials on. He buys a desktop PC. He also needs a keyboard and monitor. He pays $50 for the Keyboard and $199 for the monitor. It’s job related and therefore also qualifies in your terms as “an investment” in his business.

Not sure where you get to be the one who defines what does, and does not qualify as an amount - and usage.

Also, please stop using in the word “objectively”. It absolutely doesn’t mean what you think it means. Your opinion is that it isn’t as good - and that is a 100% valid opinion to have. However it is not a FACT. It’s an opinion.


The rest of your reply is all opinion based.
Sigh if you read your own definition for the word it would help and you would see I’m using the standard definition.

n investment is an asset or item acquired with the goal of generating income or appreciation. Appreciation refers to an increase in the value of an asset over time. When an individual purchases a good as an investment, the intent is not to consume the good but rather to use it in the future to create wealth.


An investment always concerns the outlay of some capital today—time, effort, money, or an asset—in hopes of a greater payoff in the future than what was originally put in.


For example, an investor may purchase a monetary asset now with the idea that the asset will provide income in the future

Notice the bolden words I have highlighted for you. When you purchase a goods who’s main purpose is to make your business money.

It being a 50$ keyboard, 10.000$ monitor or a million dollar carving machine is not relevant. And what I stated was GENERALLY when you purchase a monitor worth more than 1.000$ With accurate color representation, it’s a business investment and not a monitor for your 6 year old kid to play Minecraft and draw pictures in Microsoft paint.

Go and ask your tax office what kind of equipment you can write of as a business expense, and you will be surprised.

And no I used objectively( it’s a factual statement measurable and not subjectively based on opinion)

The monitor have multiple things that is worse. And less feature complete

Apple studio monitor.
Does not have a hight adjusted stance.
Permanently attached cable.
VESA is not a standard
The mount is NOT removable.

These are ergonomically inferior as it can’t be adjusted to support an ergonomic working environment.

It can’t be mounted on a STANDARD VESA mount afterwards. OR EXCLUDE a stand altogether if VESA ability is chosen at purchase.
The power cable is not user replaceable and uses a proprietary connector with zero benefits making it impossible to replace a damaged power cable without going to a store.

These are things the monitor apple replaced LG ultra fine 5K had as standard.

You can say you don’t think these are important features, but it doesn’t change the objective downgrade irrespective of your valuation of it.
 
Notice the bolden words I have highlighted for you. When you purchase a goods who’s main purpose is to make your business money.
I did. I gave you the example of Bob and his cheapo monitor. But apparently you feel that price matters, not functionality.

Obviously this is not True. If you need a monitor with more than 1.000$ it’s job related and an investment.

Your words, not mine. If Bob needs a $199 monitor to run his accounting app to enable him to produce invoices for his business, then why is that ALSO not job related “and an investment”?

Where does this $1,000 come from? If it was a number that you magic’d out of thin air then that’s a problem for you to address.
 
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They're just getting it ready for the impending subscription service, 5k display for $2 a month, multi-monitor support for $6. ? I sure hope that doesn't happen but if car manufacturers make radios that require a subscription for wireless CarPlay who knows what others are capable of implementing.
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It's a display. Why does a display need a firmware upgrade?
Bought a Philips 23" WUXGA monitor in 2004. Great purchase. Never fails. No SW updates required. Only need to dust it off once in a while ... with a regular cloth :) .
Hey, I just had to update the firmware in my car. Updating a desktop display should be no big deal.
 
I did. I gave you the example of Bob and his cheapo monitor. But apparently you feel that price matters, not functionality.
Functionality and price is irrelevant. I stated a general case.
Your words, not mine. If Bob needs a $199 monitor to run his accounting app to enable him to produce invoices for his business, then why is that ALSO not job related “and an investment”?
It is
Where does this $1,000 come from? If it was a number that you magic’d out of thin air then that’s a problem for you to address.
I’m referring to the Mac studio display for 1599$.1999$ Compared to the 1299$ LG 5K display

If you purchase a 100-400 solar monitor it could be assumed to be for recreational purposes. But if you buy a 1.000$+ monitor it’s safe to assume it’s business related.

You are reading way more in to things I haven’t stated.

My original statement was that the studio display is a bad investment compared to the LG display it replaced.

If people find it great for recreational reasons is their opinion.

Edit: 1999$ Compared to the 1299$ LG 5K display
 
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