Just a general observation of people railing on the Disney movies. I think their plan was to get as far away from George’s take on the movies.
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Star Wars the Upcoming Episode 9: Redemption for Disney?
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I think they mostly succeeded in that.
After seeing episodes 1-3, it left me with a really bad impression of the Anakin Skywalker character and I had trouble watching episodes 4-6 without thinking of that whiny little b***h whenever I saw Vader on screen.
Thankfully, the ending of Rogue One redeemed Vader (but never Anakin, episodes 1-3 are forever banned from further viewings - I wish someone spliced together a version of those films without any of the bad) for me.
This also does not excuse crappy writing, especially with the amount of money they have invested in this franchise. By extension getting away from episodes 1-3 should primarily have meant moving towards much better writing, getting out of the crappy story neighborhood.
The problem I had with 7 was they rushed the story along. That should have been 2 movies.
I didn't like the 'star killer base' in 7 already.... I feel like that could have had much more weight if they built up to it in ep9.....
I actually do like the Kylo Ren & Rey characters.... there is a lot of good there
My new trilogy would have been:
ep 7 starts out with Kylo is the Han/Leia son that went to the dark side.... although they could have had a better reason for him turning than the BS that it was Luke's fault.... the empire is still in rebuilding mode, and the teaser at the end of the film is the BEGINNING of the starkiller base..... Han Still dies at the end
ep 8 should have had the surprise reveal that Rey was Emperor Palpatine's daughter.... she turns dark side, and remains dark when the film ends..... Leia dies at the end
ep 9 star killer base finished... starts blowing up planets that we actually have an attachment to (ie: locations from ep 7 & 8 events)..... Luke dies at the end.... Rey turns back to the light at the end
NO Snoke character.... pointless
NO Rose character.... pointless
NO Lara Dern character... pointless
If there was a single reoccurring justification as to why some people liked episode 8 it was that is was ”new” and “different” from the previous films. Although that’s misinterpreting what was basically a lousy, poorly conceived and disjointed middle act of this trilogy, on a positive note it shows that fans are actually ready for something completely new.
Basically lucasfilm/Disney needs to let go of the legacy ingredients of classic Star Wars, the star destroyers, the tie fighters, the millennium falcons, the at at walkers, the rebel ships and incidental characters like Jaba the hut and boba fet, etc., and come up with a completely new design language, fresh characters, and original ideas for future Star Wars films. Forget about mining every single pixel of every single frame of the legacy films for something to needlessly prop up from out of nowhere, force it into a movie and milk it to death, like Han Solo’s dice. None of this stuff has made a steady parade of mediocre at best scripts any better.
All they need to do is look at what inspired Lucas to make the first film and start there, not look at everything he did after the first film and figure out how to shoehorn it in a movie.
Basically lucasfilm/Disney needs to let go of the legacy ingredients of classic Star Wars, the star destroyers, the tie fighters, the millennium falcons, the at at walkers, the rebel ships and incidental characters like Jaba the hut and boba fet, etc., and come up with a completely new design language, fresh characters, and original ideas for future Star Wars films. Forget about mining every single pixel of every single frame of the legacy films for something to needlessly prop up from out of nowhere, force it into a movie and milk it to death, like Han Solo’s dice. None of this stuff has made a steady parade of mediocre at best scripts any better.
All they need to do is look at what inspired Lucas to make the first film and start there, not look at everything he did after the first film and figure out how to shoehorn it in a movie.
YES! Lord, this sounds sooooo much better than what we got. Fingers crossed ep 9 is good, I will even take ROTJ good! LOL
My issue was and is recycled ideas from earlier Star Wars, not a new story, recycled, meaningless, worse than Lucas, they made a farce out of it. My opinion of course.
Whether or not they follow your advice, I'm glad they have almost complete freedom to decide where the story goes. It's nothing like the bulit-in limitations that they had for Episode III, since everyone already knew where it would have to end.
The Rise of Skywalker is being billed as the end of the saga. I don’t know what that means. It could mean no more Star Wars movies, period. I don’t think that’s likely, given the fact that Disney ponied up $4 billion for Lucasfilm and $100 million for the Mandalorian project on Disney+ and how much they sunk into the Galaxy’s Edge attractions at the theme parks.
The obvious thought here is that Disney will be doing more movies set in the Star Wars universe, but no Empire, no Emperor, no handsome rogues in spaceships, no Rebellion, no cute robots, just Westerns on alien planets.
But what’s the time frame? There is nothing in Disney’s pipeline for future Star Wars movies. It seems hard to believe that Disney would spend megabucks for this property and sit on it.
Is this the end?
I wonder.
The obvious thought here is that Disney will be doing more movies set in the Star Wars universe, but no Empire, no Emperor, no handsome rogues in spaceships, no Rebellion, no cute robots, just Westerns on alien planets.
But what’s the time frame? There is nothing in Disney’s pipeline for future Star Wars movies. It seems hard to believe that Disney would spend megabucks for this property and sit on it.
Is this the end?
I wonder.
The saga was 9 episodes. The Star Wars universe will live on with a new story. There is talk of doing more stand alone backstory movies.
Since Star Wars happened a long time ago, Disney has 4.7 billion years of history to cover in subsequent movies before we reach the present day. See why it's 4.7 billion.
Since the Solo movie was unsuccessful, at least by Star Wars standards, a multifilm saga seems to make more sense. But I haven’t seen anything official from Disney. I read something yesterday that Rian Johnson, the man who singlehandedly butchered the Star Wars universe with The Last Jedi, is set to do 3 upcoming films. But still nothing official.
That’s intriguing. Maybe an origin story. A whole planet of beings who talk like Yoda? Maybe then I’ll learn to love Jar Jar Binks!
Having seen the first 3 of them in the theaters, none of them have been nearly as good. Those first two especially were the absolute best--but Star Wars was new at that time also. They've all been entertaining and I've enjoyed & appreciated them for what they are. As a long time fan, it was sad to see Han's demise and certainly Carrie Fisher's passing as well. RIP Leia
You're right though--both trilogies after the first were, intentional or not, bringing in new generations of fans.
I have a feeling that Ep IX will be a letdown, if the writers are trying to rehabilitate Kylo Ren back into Ben Solo. You can’t just pretend that patricide didn’t happen. Right?
What elements would you keep? Certainly they could do what you described and still call it Star Wars. Disney bought Lucasfilm for the brand, no doubt. But we're also talking about a company that has been remaking their own animated films lately (sometimes practically scene for scene).
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My impression (or maybe I heard it said somewhere) is that it is the end of the *Skywalker* saga. Certainly there's lots of potential for other stories in the Star Wars universe. I also had the impression that this sequel trilogy was supposed to be a sort of reboot that begins navigating away from the Skywalker story with new, non-Skywalker characters to move into the indefinite future with... but if that was the goal, I think they fumbled with it-- I think more recently they've said that this is final movie for any of these characters, no? (Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe, etc.)
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Rise of Skywalker is the end of story arc for the 9 movies. I’m sure they will create a new arc that has nothing to do with the current 40 years of story.
My take is that after IX, all the true Skywalkers will be dead. That gives Disney an out when they announce X-XII (you know they will!) as they can spin it as ‘not about the Skywalkers, it’ll be Rey’s kids or whatnot.
Things I would keep:
"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." except shifting to an entirely new area of that galaxy.
Jedi Knights - maybe. Except that they would be different from the lightsaber wielding, limb slicing, bumper sticker wisdom quoting Jedi we're all too familiar with. More evolved, different weapons (if any) and not central to the story, more or less in the periphery of a much larger story that's not about the Jedi or any of the overblown nonsense associated with the Jedi, like temples and texts and - oh God...padawans - that were tacked on to the later movies. The Jedi were portrayed perfectly in the first trilogy (SW, ESB, ROJ) and that pretty much covered the Jedi story. After that the whole Jedi thing just went into massive overkill. But I would probably have something Jedi in new films at some point just to set the stage that it's a Star Wars movie and not another Marvel superhero movie in space.
As Lucas frequently mentions, Star Wars was inspired in large part by the serial movies of the 40's and 50's. The opening crawl, the stylized screen wipes and transitions from one scene to another, the over the top heroics and bravado of the main characters, the cliffhanger ending in ESB...all of that was lifted directly from the old serial movies. Lucas just bought it all to a more modern age and updated the techniques. And all of the SW movies that followed SW, ESB, ROJ seem to have forgotten that. So I think Disney needs to get back to that original vision for the first SW film because there's nothing wrong with a SW film that's simply fun and entertaining to watch like SW was when it was originally released, and without the need to figure out stuff like what's up with those Jedi texts and all of that other stupid nonsense we have now.