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Trolling by non-Apple users

cube said:
Ignoring would be a solution just for you, not for other users who fall for internet propaganda.
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And again, how does this impact you?

If anything it is a positive for you (and all of us to be honest) - Apple get slammed, have to raise their game or drop prices due to reduced demand (irrespective of truth) and you get cheaper or better stuff?

Apple isn't some tiny little company you need to white knight for. They're a trillion dollar multinational corporation who can stand up for themselves just fine.

If you're taking insults to apple personally, like they're an attack on you for using Apple equipment, i'd suggest taking a step back, remembering they're just gadgets and worrying about the more important stuff in life.



And if you're talking about personal attacks by trolls - well that's already in breach of the rules and should be moderated. Report the post if you have to. These things don't need special attention or a clarification of the rules - they're already mentioned as being against the rules.

But the OP was in reference to people stating OPINIONS that they do not agree with or deem to be FALSE. Like an opinion can be false...

I don't like the colour green. That's an opinion. It can't be false.
 
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throAU said:
And again, how does this impact you?

If anything it is a positive for you (and all of us to be honest) - Apple get slammed, have to raise their game or drop prices due to reduced demand (irrespective of truth) and you get cheaper or better stuff?

Apple isn't some tiny little company you need to white knight for. They're a trillion dollar multinational corporation who can stand up for themselves just fine.

If you're taking insults to apple personally, like they're an attack on you for using Apple equipment, i'd suggest taking a step back, remembering they're just gadgets and worrying about the more important stuff in life.



And if you're talking about personal attacks by trolls - well that's already in breach of the rules and should be moderated. Report the post if you have to. These things don't need special attention or a clarification of the rules - they're already mentioned as being against the rules.

But the OP was in reference to people stating OPINIONS that they do not agree with or deem to be FALSE. Like an opinion can be false...

I don't like the colour green. That's an opinion. It can't be false.
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You clearly did not read my post then. I was never attacking people who have the same opinion but those who say like green and go and post over and over how much they like green on a red discussion forum. They may not attack directly but their posts leave no doubt what they think of those who like red between the lines.
 
decafjava said:
You clearly did not read my post then. I was never attacking people who have the same opinion but those who say like green and go and post over and over how much they like green on a red discussion forum. They may not attack directly but their posts leave no doubt what they think of those who like red between the lines.
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I've read your post and others like it. You're placing too much value in the opinions of others. It is annoying to see non-Apple users continue to post about their dislikes, but they're ignorable and asking for them to be banned from the forums just for posting is over moderation. Sometimes they can be made to see the error of their ways and actually try out the Apple ecosystem; the ones who don't are probably children who either have their opinions formulated for them or can't afford Apple products. Free speech within certain limitations is allowed and encouraged here, love it or hate it. The forum has provided a tool in the form of the ignore function if those posters become so unbearable.
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch said:
Congratulations, you are now trolling. Clearly people have an issue here, so just because you don't share their views, it doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
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I agree, I was just merely pointing out my amazement that the thread is still very active. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes.
 
WIth the new hardware announcements, the trolls have all come out of the woodwork :)

I know not all are trolling, but have an overal very unnecessary negative tone.
and not even talking about the large amount of comments in other threads that are really negative.

- I think it's finally time we stop being used as sheep
- Will people be self-conscious using the iPhone XR in public knowing it’s the cheap model?
- 1 hour and a half on the max? Really?
- The case for the Xr LCD being superior to OLED
- Has Anyone Now Decided NOT To Buy Xs/Xs Max After Keynote?
- im filing consumer case on apple for iphone x, you should do too, or apple will play your money
- SKIP buying wait Next Year ( thread )
- Too big, too heavy, too thick
- iPhone 8S/9 design?
- Where is the small petite sized phone?
- Apple just gave us all the finger!
 
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Please report any posts that you feel that cross the line and the moderation team will evaluate the report and act on it based on our policy and procedures..

I will say that people are free to express their opinions, even ones where they're disappointed with apple or its products. Take the iPhone 8s/9 design. People are free to post that they do not like the iPhone X design.
 
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Absrnd said:
WIth the new hardware announcements, the trolls have all come out of the woodwork :)

I know not all are trolling, but have an overal very unnecessary negative tone.
and not even talking about the large amount of comments in other threads that are really negative.
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It's just that time of year and there'll be another spate on the 9th after Google does it's thing, then again after the October Apple event if there is one. Nothing will ever be good enough or right enough it happens on every enthusiast forum.

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On topic the trolling gets annoying no matter where you frequent I've pretty much stopped going into alternatives because people like to pee on threads there. The end state your phone might be faster and cooler but the reality is I don't much care, I'm not going to buy it I'm going to stick to what I like. I will admit that I love seeing the suspended tag under zealots user name no matter the "side" they live on.
 
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maflynn said:
Please report any posts that you feel that cross the line and the moderation team will evaluate the report and act on it based on our policy and procedures..

I will say that people are free to express their opinions, even ones where they're disappointed with apple or its products. Take the iPhone 8s/9 design. People are free to post that they do not like the iPhone X design.
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If you read through that list, which ones would you consider crossing the line ?
because they are not clear trolling, but very smart subtle negative postings, and that is where the problem lies.

When I read those posts I get the same fealing when I read all those Facebook postings manipulating political ideas and such, from those russian and others posts.
 
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maflynn said:
Please report any posts that you feel that cross the line and the moderation team will evaluate the report and act on it based on our policy and procedures..

I will say that people are free to express their opinions, even ones where they're disappointed with apple or its products. Take the iPhone 8s/9 design. People are free to post that they do not like the iPhone X design.
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Yes those are not the kinds of posts I am talking about. I will have to watch the keynote and look closely at the specs of the phones but I think the XS is Xsessive. I appreciate criticism especially well thought out criticism.
 
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Sometimes MacRumors can be a bit of an echo chamber. Kind of like Monty Python's The Argument Clinic. The internet offers a anonymity that gives "keyboard courage". I feel that teens (and many others) don't stop to think who is on the other end of the conversation and end up saying things that they would never say to my face.

To MacRumors users, ejb190 is a name, an avatar, an infrequent poster. But there's a person behind that picture. I've been around here longer than most, used Macs longer than many members have been alive, and have a wealth of experience on a host of topics. So while I would hope that the trolls would grow up and take advantage of the treasurer-trove of member knowledge, I'm old enough to know that the only one I can control is myself. I can choose to exhaust myself by engaging with trolls or ignore them knowing that I'm dealing with closed-minded children hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

There are MacRumors members that if people knew who they were, they'd be PAYING them for the expertise that they offer here for free. And that is part of why I read far more than I post.
 
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Just stumbled upon a post made with unequivocal intention in an iOS vs Android thread.
I looked at the post history of the member.
Joined MR in 2014.
In 4 years made 36 (SIC!) posts and all of them bashing iOS/Apple and/or praising Android/Samsung.
No comment.
 
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Ulenspiegel said:
Just stumbled upon a post made with unequivocal intention in an iOS vs Android thread.
I looked at the post history of the member.
Joined MR in 2014.
In 4 years made 36 (SIC!) posts and all of them bashing iOS/Apple and/or praising Android/Samsung.
No comment.
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If you think they are trolling report the offending posts and we will investigate.
 
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Ulenspiegel said:
Thank you for your reply.
Taking into account the provided profile data it is obvious that the person's agenda is nothing but trolling practiced for 4 years.
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You have to understand we do not read every single post made on the forum or monitor the behaviour of every single member, which is why we rely on post reports to bring these things to our attention.
 
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decafjava said:
I want some rules or principles on the forum clarified in regards to a specific kind of trolling.

First of all I am not saying non-Apple users should not be permitted to post or anything of that sort. For example there are posters who either like and use older (even classic) Apple gear and are not enamoured of recent offerings, some who no longer use at all for reasons X, Y or Z but are still interested in tech in general. There are those who almost exclusively post in the alternatives to ios forum and also don't use Macs (as opposed to many users who have Macs and Android phones or vice-versa). A bit odd to me but fine.

No, I am talking about users who maybe at one time used Apple products and then moved to other brands/OS and continually troll criticizing current Apple users and Apple stuff with nary a bad word about the competition. A good example are several on this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/goodbye-android.2124473/

Now perhaps the poster that started the thread was also trolling (they are a new MR member after all), but honestly some of the comments on the thread, certainly in the most recent pages are not very productive and I really wonder what these posters are trying to accomplish. Maybe I am wrong and these don't violate the rules but it is more a trend that I feel is not conducive to honest discussion and critique.
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Dude, do as I do. Come, ask the question and leave. Or come, look at the latest and leave. Do not waste your time on things like that, there are way better things to do with your time.
 
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OllyW said:
You have to understand we do not read every single post made on the forum or monitor the behaviour of every single member, which is why we rely on post reports to bring these things to our attention.
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Unfortunately the rules have never been applied consistently in all forum topics. likely due to different moderators. Consequently, items that are considered clear violations in some threads, are given leeway and laughed off by moderators when reported in others. It would be nice if we could try for a more even spread of rules. Frivolous posts are often ignored, or weaponized as a violation when a moderator has a personal dispute with someone. I realize moderators are humans too, but we need much more objectivity in moderation. MacRumors has been known for many years to be one of the most toxic Mac forum sites around, and it doesn't have to be. It can be a lot better.
 
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Swampthing said:
Frivolous posts are often ignored, or weaponized as a violation when a moderator has a personal dispute with someone.
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I think you may be making the incorrect assumption that we see all these posts that violate the rules. There are so many posts each day, it is not possible for us to see even a fraction of them, so we rely heavily on member reports. If you see a post that violates the rules, please help us by reporting it.

Then if after that, if you see inconsistency in the way those reports are handled, you can bring it to the attention of the admins by using the contact us link and they will review.
 
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Weaselboy said:
I think you may be making the incorrect assumption that we see all these posts that violate the rules. There are so many posts each day, it is not possible for us to see even a fraction of them, so we rely heavily on member reports. If you see a post that violates the rules, please help us by reporting it.

Then if after that, if you see inconsistency in the way those reports are handled, you can bring it to the attention of the admins by using the contact us link and they will review.
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No one is claiming you see every single post. Stop being silly. But I have been there, done that. I’ve reported numerous posts all the time over several years. Ones that have clearly violated the rules, particularly the frivolous rules. The rules have always been unevenly applied. There are people here who clearly want to antagonize Apple users. They argue about anything.

This thread wouldn’t even exist if more aggressive moderation was taking place against trolls and frivolous posters. I didn’t start this thread so I’m obviously not the only person who believes this . But I do have to strongly agree. Reporting doesn’t always make a difference. Even reporting inconsistency has not helped. It is still a major problem here.

Think about that for a moment before slapping yourself on the back again.
 
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Swampthing said:
No one is claiming you see every single post.
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I apologize for any offense. From your earlier comment, it did sound like you thought moderators saw all these posts you believe violate the rules, and just ignored them.

Swampthing said:
Think about that for a moment before slapping yourself on the back again.
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I don't understand where you are coming from at all with this comment.
 
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