I used the wireless charger in my X5 like twice... its slow and makes the phone really hot. I now use the good old fashion cable... goes the job...
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Warning: BMW Wireless Charging May Break iPhone 15's Apple Pay Chip
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This might be an issue with BMW, users have complained about their Samsung phones overheating since years back. Heard nothing about damage to NFC though.
From what I’m reading, people have long had issues with bmw chargers so this issue isn’t the first. As usual any little issue will be magnified on a rollout though as reporters are picking up on everything for clicks, even though if you search for issues on any phone you’ll get plenty of results all the same
BMW has been off the rails for a while now. They haven’t made a car I’ve liked since 2008. They have become a mass market car that anyone can obtain and lost their uniqueness in terms of design and vibe.
I traded a 3 series for a last gen Chrysler 200C a while back. The Chrysler is a far superior car in almost every way to the 3 series. It’s a shame people are too busy trying to show each other how successful and just like everyone else they are….the 200 might have won the day. But everyone around here is too vein so BMW, Audis, and Mercs are the only luxury cars people will buy. Most are sold used, 72 month loan, $0 down, and 20% interest if I had to guess. They only sell well because of peer pressure and ego.
I traded a 3 series for a last gen Chrysler 200C a while back. The Chrysler is a far superior car in almost every way to the 3 series. It’s a shame people are too busy trying to show each other how successful and just like everyone else they are….the 200 might have won the day. But everyone around here is too vein so BMW, Audis, and Mercs are the only luxury cars people will buy. Most are sold used, 72 month loan, $0 down, and 20% interest if I had to guess. They only sell well because of peer pressure and ego.
Genius is leaving a cable in your car.
Kinda crazy. Modern BMW’s have carkeys. So this will stop it from working too. Imagine being in your car and charging the phone only to find out that you can’t start the car or open the door and you can’t use Apple Pay since you did what apple tells you to do and leave everything else home and only carry the iPhone.
So far, my 15 Pro is fine in my BMW. The wireless charge port gets hot, like it always has due to less than adequate ventilation, but the phone is fine.
If this proves to be an issue. I'd say it has to be on Apple in this case since the charge port has been fine for all of my previous iPhones over the last 4 years.
If this proves to be an issue. I'd say it has to be on Apple in this case since the charge port has been fine for all of my previous iPhones over the last 4 years.
I agree it is not the best wireless charger, but I find it provides enough power to the phone to allow it to do wireless airplay without losing charge. This is about the same as if I am using the magsafe battery to charge while using wireless airplay.
Also agree that the phone gets too hot. But I have also found if I have the phone in my pocket and use wireless airplay, it gets hot. Doubly so if I am charging it using the magsafe battery. I have not tried to measure if it gets as hot as when using the charge pad, but its at least similar.
This is with an iphone 13 pro, so perhaps impacts things.
The same as anything else wireless. To avoid the need for wires...
In a car it makes a lot of sense. I can just sit down, place the phone down on the pad, and go. If I am using the phone as a key, I need to put the phone there anyway. It is convenient, and neater than having wires, especially in the car.
I have an iphone 13 pro, and have never once plugged it in. It sits on a magsafe stand that also wirelessly charges my watch and airpods. Keeps my desk clear. May not matter to you, but matters to some.
When I travel i take the magsafe duo and one cable, one AC adapter. Keeps it simple. As a frequent traveler, its helpful to me. But may not be for you.
Why are you so quick to assume it's Apple's fault? There are people here saying that BMW chargers have caused issues for years.
People have been commenting through the thread that other phones have had problems with the BMW charger, but that's really beside the point... You're using bad logic.
Even if the iPhone14 didn't have problems and the 15 does, that in no way points the finger at Apple. In the absence of other evidence, you couldn't draw a conclusion either way. If one or the other device wasn't fully compliant with the standard then it's a crap shoot how you'd expect them to work together, and each generation would be a new roll of the dice.
In this case though, we do have other evidence: there aren't reported failures of the NFC chips with any other Qi chargers as of yet. That suggests that the one charger that's causing a problem is the problem. Still no final conclusions to be drawn since the phone is new and information travels rather slowly and the opportunity of putting Apple and BMW into the same story of failure is just catnip to webfolk so I'd expect it to get more noise more quickly.
If you plug your USB-C phone charger into a slightly off-spec charger, your phone will likely be fine.
If you split the hot and neutrals for one of the pin outs on your USB-C cable then plug them into your outlet directly, it will likely fry your phone.
Circuitry can't protect against everything. Personally I refuse to use wireless chargers on phones until the heat issues are addressed. Even official magsafe chargers turns my family's phones into little ovens.
Meanwhile a regular ol' cable charges faster with less heat.
Smells disaster some couple moths down the line, if those people just want to dig rabbit hole THIS DEEP just for ego.
Which circuit, the transmitter or receiver?
The charge circuit can't do much to protect the NFC system, because they're separate and both receiving the charger power in parallel. The NFC system can't protect against everything because it's expecting to be exposed to weaker fields than a charger will put out.
Hard to know what's causing the failure, so hard to know how to protect against it. People here are discussing it like "I plugged the 9V battery into this one and it worked, then into that one and it didn't, so I know the battery is fine". This is significantly more complicated than that. There might be out-of-band energy coming out of the charger that the NFC is resonant with, there might be an unexpected resonance caused by some other structure in the phone, the BMW system might be badly aligned with the phone and not backing off its power level... Who knows.
My 2021 Porsche Macan did not come with wireless charging, but I’m using a third-party device that incorporates Apple’s magnetic charger into a mounting that fits perfectly into the area of the center console normally occupied by the cigarette lighter. For me, it was a perfect use of otherwise wasted space. So far, no issues with it and my 15 Pro Max, and also no issues with the Belkin 3-in-1 magnetic charger I have.
Apple Pay error displays and cards become“unavailable”. Double press on side button no longer activates Apple Pay.
This has happened in the past with older phones and BMWs. It is not iPhone 15 specific. OMG.
If you have an iPhone 15 and drive a BMW, it might be best to avoid charging the device with the vehicle's wireless charging pad for now.
Over the past week, some BMW owners have complained that their iPhone 15's NFC chip no longer works after charging the device with their vehicle's wireless charging pad, according to comments shared on the MacRumors Forums and X, formerly known as Twitter. Affected customers say the iPhone goes into a data recovery mode with a white screen, and the NFC chip is no longer functional after the device reboots.
In an iPhone, the NFC chip powers features like Apple Pay and digital car keys. Affected users receive a "Could Not Set Up Apple Pay" error message in the Wallet app, and there does not appear to be a way to fix the problem. Some customers say Apple replaced their iPhone after confirming the NFC chip failed, but the replacement iPhone is then vulnerable to the same issue, so there is currently no permanent solution.
While complaints so far have come from iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max users, it is possible the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are also affected, so owners of any iPhone 15 model should proceed with caution until this issue is sorted.
It's unclear what the specific cause of the issue is, how many customers are affected, and which BMW models are affected. We've reached out to an Apple spokesperson for comment, and we'll update this story if we receive a response.
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Good to learn about this. I was just about to trade in my walking shoes and public transit pass for a 7 Series