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bosrs1 said:
Why thank you. I always try to be as blunt and to the point as possible.

And it's much appreciated!

I was just trying to get a sense of how Apple runs things - I should have guessed from all of the posts from people who said that they were waiting to purchase hardware based on Apple's announcement, but still - better to ask than to assume.

Of course, there's always the (slim) possibility that my dealer will be extraordinarily nice to me...we'll just have to see.
 
klaus said:
Second, if you buy a new car a month before the new model comes out, you won't get the new model eiter, nor will you get the new rims that were on this model.

Companies can't just give people their newest upgrades when they've bought them a few months earlier, realism is in place I guess.

I think the difference here though is you can negociate with a car dealer and they knock ££ off the price nowing that the new model is due out. (You can in the UK at least)

If this were possible on the Mac then I would buy my planned G5 purchase today... (and increase Apples Sales today) even if that meant I had to buy the upgrade.. rather than waiting for the announce date before I purchase.
 
Cennon said:
It's been my experience that any software update that involves going from one decimal point to another (ie 10.3 to 10.4) is usually free or reduced for current owners. Is that so hard to understand?
OS X is a special case, where it looks like a point release on paper but it's actually a major version release. Why is Apple doing this? Likely because "X" and "Ten" look and sound catchy. If Apple had been on a traditional naming scheme we'd be looking at Mac OS 14 this summer, and likely be using Mac OS 13.8 right now. Of course many would argue (with good reason) that 10.0 was an alpha or beta, and the real deal started with 10.1, so perhaps we'd be on 12 looking at 13, if not for the present OS version numbering scheme.
 
Cennon said:
It's been my experience that any software update that involves going from one decimal point to another (ie 10.3 to 10.4) is usually free or reduced for current owners. Is that so hard to understand?

I have never seen updates like you describe as being free.

I'll give 2 examples.

Sun Solaris.....

Solaris 6 2.6
Solaris 7 2.7
Solaris 8 2.8
Solaris 9 2.9

Windows 2000 5.0
Windows Xp 5.1
Windows 2003 5.2

What your are describing as a minor point update is not minor.
Under the x.x.x.x release cycle the second point is a major release.
The third and 4th . releases are the ones companies give for free.
 
Cennon said:
It's been my experience that any software update that involves going from one decimal point to another (ie 10.3 to 10.4) is usually free or reduced for current owners. Is that so hard to understand?

That's not even close to a balanced comparison.



RTFP. I said a couple of weeks ago (or so), not a couple of months. I asked a simple question; I didn't expect to be lumped in with "all the people" that have a different circumstance. Bosrs1 said simply "Not a chance in hell". I can deal with that. Snotty comments about "realism" I can do without.

Cennon, I was talking in general, because this question is asked so many times a day. I don't think my post is offending in any way.
It's been my experience that any software update that involves going from one decimal point to another (ie 10.3 to 10.4) is usually free or reduced for current owners. Is that so hard to understand?

No, I don't understand it, 10.3.x upgrades are always free, 10.x upgrades are 'new' OS-es, and are only free if your purchase of the old OS falls into a certain timeframe. If not, you'll have to pay the full price. I can't help this either :)

And about the rim comparison, when I bought my G5, it's my understanding I also paid for Panther, and not for Tiger, so I won't be eligible for a free upgrade.. Not such a bad comparison if you ask me..

I don't think my post was snotty, but please beg to differ, discussions is what a forum is all about

cheers
 
more fuel to the fire of those thinking that apple is going to release tuesday, the FOSE conference in DC starts tomorrow, and i heard on the radio that an apple person will be there, for what they weren't sure. FOSE is the 5th-7th.
 
Actually.....

klaus said:
I don't understand all the people who ask for a free/reduced upgrade on tiger when they've purchased their mac a month before the announcement of Tiger.

First of all, computers sold after the announcement of Tiger (not the release) will get a free upgrade (only shipping costs to pay), all others will have to rely on the will of their dealer.

Second, if you buy a new car a month before the new model comes out, you won't get the new model eiter, nor will you get the new rims that were on this model.

Companies can't just give people their newest upgrades when they've bought them a few months earlier, realism is in place I guess.



I'm afraid you're wrong there.

I bought a PowerBook several months ago. It was a month and a few weeks before they updated the powerbooks. Obviously, I was a little pissed. So I got in touch with Apple and they told me what I feared... I couldn't get an exchange... BUT they said it was only because over a month had passed.

So... I guess that means that they WILL work with you if you made a recent purchase. But hey I could be wrong... I'm sure you must have actually checked with Apple as well before giving your... *passionate*... response.
 
illustratorDavi said:
Apple UK store is now closed for an update.

Maybe night launch of tiger :D

No it isn't - stop getting us all excited. Let's just sit tight and wait for a proper announcement shall we?

Aww, forget that we'll hang on to any tidbit! Give us more!
 
At the time of his post the UK store was down...with the yellow post-it graphic saying they would be back in an hour. Now though it is back up with no addition of Tiger. Who knows what is going on.

Also CS2 was announced by Adobe today so those saying MacUser was putting off releasing their April issue so they could cover that seem to be wrong, otherwise they would have brought out the issue today instead of tomorrow.
 
TopCatz said:
No it isn't - stop getting us all excited. Let's just sit tight and wait for a proper announcement shall we?

Aww, forget that we'll hang on to any tidbit! Give us more!
All European Apple Stores was, actually down for about half an hour... but probably just for maintenance, as nothing new appeared when it came back up... there's a whole thread on the issue...
 
Indo said:
more fuel to the fire of those thinking that apple is going to release tuesday, the FOSE conference in DC starts tomorrow, and i heard on the radio that an apple person will be there, for what they weren't sure. FOSE is the 5th-7th.

What the Fose is FOSE?

(I know, some government tech thing) :rolleyes:
 
Cennon said:
And it's much appreciated!

I was just trying to get a sense of how Apple runs things - I should have guessed from all of the posts from people who said that they were waiting to purchase hardware based on Apple's announcement, but still - better to ask than to assume.

Of course, there's always the (slim) possibility that my dealer will be extraordinarily nice to me...we'll just have to see.
Well here's a secret.... Be as upset and angry looking as possible at an Apple store and they'll accomodate you. (Of course try the nice approach first and use the "anger" approach as a reserve). Apple employees are trained to "suprise and delight" and they'll often accomodate you without any trouble. Of course they almost always accomodate you if it appears you're uncooperative if just to get you out of the store ;)
 
Lacero said:
I didn't read or know about the bad rap about macosrumors.com from anywhere but came to that conclusion myself just by reading the articles on their site. It's all junk. It wasn't too hard to come to the conclusion the editors on that site pull stuff from their ass and pass it off insider knowledge. If you really want to find out for yourself, just visit the site.

I do watch that site, along with this one, ThinkSecret and AppleInsider. I would rank the latter two as far more reliable than anything else out there, but I think Macosrumors has had enough hits that it discounts any sense that they pull things out of their ass. I've looked over lots and lots of rumor sites and I can spot a site that is pulling things out of their ass. Macosrumors doesn't strike me as that.

I especially say it's telling that they called the other sites' announcement date into question and were correct. That's not the first time I've seen them do that, btw.

As for the bad rap, I've seen lots of disparaging comments here and elsewhere about them. Again, I have no personal interest in one site or another, but I don't understand why the site doesn't have more credibility. They've gotten plenty of things right in the past too that others didn't get.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
All European Apple Stores was, actually down for about half an hour... but probably just for maintenance, as nothing new appeared when it came back up... there's a whole thread on the issue...

Well Panther is available if anyone fancies a copy?
By the way, does anyone have any idea what sys reqs will be for Tiger? I'd like to get a family pack to cover my old Macs too but is it likely to be installable on a G3 600 iMac on CD?
I know the new iApps are starting to pull away from the older machines, but an OS kinda ought to be more inclusive.
 
.Mac was down too

.Mac was down for awhile this afternoon too. Back up now with no visible changes.

I've always suspected that Tiger was going to mean a bigger role for .Mac (and least I HOPE so)... so I was curious about the hiatus. But so far: nothing.
 
wesball said:
I bought a PowerBook several months ago. It was a month and a few weeks before they updated the powerbooks. Obviously, I was a little pissed. So I got in touch with Apple and they told me what I feared... I couldn't get an exchange... BUT they said it was only because over a month had passed.

I'm sure you must have actually checked with Apple as well before giving your... *passionate*... response.

Yes, idd, if the dealer or apple is kind enough, they'll compensate you, but they won't do it for everyone, just keep on trying I suppose :)

Hmm, passionate response, don't know about that one, I must have an akward way of expressing myself in a post, cause people tend to misinterpret it. Anyway, it was something that has been said a million times before on the boards I visit, so it shouldn't be that unique ;)

Off to bed now, hoping for a tiger announcement tomorrow like you all!

Cu
 
Apologies to Klaus (sorry, I took your first post too personally), and thanks to Rodrod and ~loserman~ for clarifying the whole X.x.x.x.x thing.

Of course, this means that I'm now eagerly (moreso) awaiting the release date - if only to see what my local dealer is willing or able to do for a recent customer. (I bought my Mac mini (it's so quiet!) just over a week ago, so I'm cautiously optimistic :))

Cheers!
 
inkswamp said:
I do watch that site, along with this one, ThinkSecret and AppleInsider. I would rank the latter two as far more reliable than anything else out there, but I think Macosrumors has had enough hits that it discounts any sense that they pull things out of their ass. I've looked over lots and lots of rumor sites and I can spot a site that is pulling things out of their ass. Macosrumors doesn't strike me as that.

I especially say it's telling that they called the other sites' announcement date into question and were correct. That's not the first time I've seen them do that, btw.

As for the bad rap, I've seen lots of disparaging comments here and elsewhere about them. Again, I have no personal interest in one site or another, but I don't understand why the site doesn't have more credibility. They've gotten plenty of things right in the past too that others didn't get.

I admit that I read macosrumors, but more as an online trainwreck than potentially reliable rumor news.

I think the main beef I (and probably everyone else who bad-mouths them) have with them is that they NEVER give credit to other sites for the rumor news they recycle. macrumors.com does a great job of giving credit to the site that broke the story, but macosrumors never does that. And yet any rumor that ever has a glimmer of coming true surfaces on their site quite conveniently AFTER someone else (like MR, TS, or AI) reports it. They get their reliable stuff from other sites (without citing them) and they just make up the rest from page 2 or 3 or 4 material. I remember last year they made this huge deal out of how Apple was going to dump the Darwin kernel in favor making Linux the base of OS X -- this is just one of countless rumors they made up to try and get any kind of attention. Aside from that, they have no reliable archiving system so that readers can go back and sift through the mountains of goofy rumors they swore by, but that never happened. I think this is the core of their lack of credibility, their site is updated and changed much in the same way the media in "1984" was changed and updated.

Anyway, I think their hits are due to a lot of people like me who go there just to see "what have they come up with now...?!" I wish I could do it without rewarding them with my hits.

Anyway, here's to hoping Tiger makes it out by tomorrow. They can't sit on a GM for too long without it impacting sales, one would think.
 
Applestore

Did anyone notice that the Applestore (European) was down 1 hour ago!
Could it have anything to do with any Tiger release soon?
 
clues from inside the world of publishing

Abstract said:
to make sure you get the full low-down on the biggest product launch of the year so far, we'll be holding back publication of our next issue - originally due out on 1 April - by four days.

So don't forget to check in your newsagent on Tuesday 5 April
:eek:

as much as i'd like to see some neat new stuff, having been a publisher for 15 years I see clues that this is nothing more than an april fools joke:

First, if a magazine was printed and prepared to be distributed April 1, the story would have leaked by now: Tens of thousands of copies in the hands of printers, if not distributors, can't be kept secret.

Second, the April 1 issues people are referring to with photoshop coverage are irrelevant: issues are pre-dated (a publishing convention i abhor!) so if the editors were talking about an issue to be published April 1 it might be the May 1 or even June 1 issue.

Third, if apple had given an exclusive to this mag and then asked them to sit on it five days, so that publication--printing--did not occur til april 5, there's no way copies could be AT "your newsagent" april 5. to be there then, the mag would be IN PRINT now, and its contents would not be secret, imho.

peace
terry
 
not to alarm anyone, but i just read...

topgunn said:
... Half of the Moon could have broken off and crashed into Mars sending the 4th planet spiraling out of the solar system and it still would have gotten second billing with every news outlet in the world....

I just read an obscure astronomical blog that says that's EXACTLY what happened, and there just hasn't been room yet in the general media to accommodate the story.

So I think postponing an announcement in recognition of news flow is a very likely thing.

terry
 
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