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Why I don't like iMessage
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sounds like the question has been answered but I have a further question about it. 
From what people have said if two people A and B start their iOS 5 device and enable imessaging, this registers them on apples servers as "imessaging capable" right? so when A first sends B a message it checks apples server to see if B is imessage capable and it is, so sends the message as an imessage through the apple server and down to B right? and as people have said person B will receive this as an imessage or if B is on verizon and on the phone then it wont get through and the apple server will keep trying to send the message to B until they get off the phone and receives the message right?
So in this scenario the only time A will send a sms message is if A has no data connection right?
What happens if B decided to switch his data connection off will he never get a message from A or will the apple servers realise that B keeps rejecting/not receiving imessages so tell A to resend the message as a sms?
Or if B just switches off imessaging does it unregister with the server and then does the server tell A that B has unregistered so to only send sms messages now or does A have to check with the server every time to see if B is still registered?
From what people have said if two people A and B start their iOS 5 device and enable imessaging, this registers them on apples servers as "imessaging capable" right? so when A first sends B a message it checks apples server to see if B is imessage capable and it is, so sends the message as an imessage through the apple server and down to B right? and as people have said person B will receive this as an imessage or if B is on verizon and on the phone then it wont get through and the apple server will keep trying to send the message to B until they get off the phone and receives the message right?
So in this scenario the only time A will send a sms message is if A has no data connection right?
What happens if B decided to switch his data connection off will he never get a message from A or will the apple servers realise that B keeps rejecting/not receiving imessages so tell A to resend the message as a sms?
Or if B just switches off imessaging does it unregister with the server and then does the server tell A that B has unregistered so to only send sms messages now or does A have to check with the server every time to see if B is still registered?
It's just one of the limitations of having a CDMA iPhone unfortunately. It doesn't affect majority of the iPhone users since the majority is using a GSM iPhone which can handle the simultaneous voice and data. I guess receiving the iMessages after I end my call wouldn't be a big problem for me since my phone calls aren't very long. But I know that doesn't apply to everyone.
That isn't true. The Thunderbolt can do SVDO. I am seeing reports that the DROID Bionic can do it too. It seems like it is up to the phone manufacturer to actually incorporate that feature.
Since I'm on AT&T, I cannot test how this works on a Verizon iPhone.
So keep that in mind when reading below.
You can chose to send the message as SMS, MMS or an iMessage when you are composing it.
If a conversation starts off as an iMessage, it will fall back to SMS if your conversation is between you and another iPhone via it's phone number.
If the iMessage is to an iPod or iPad (via an email address), it will hold until a data connection can be established.
If no data connection is present, you will only be given the option of sending an SMS message.
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This is how it is currently working on your iOS 5 device using AT&T?
Also, do you actually select a phone # instead of a contact in your address book?
Yes, this is how it works for me.
First you select a contact then you select their phone number or an email address.
iMessage is flaky at the moment. Sometimes it works flawlessly and others it craps out and falls back to SMS/MMS.
This thread is simple and could have been answered in 3 posts but instead its 3+ pages long....am I missing the reason why this is so hard to grasp?
Seriously. I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp when it is being explained 50 times. Literally the same thing was said 50 of the 63 posts.
Well then the jokes on you for reading all the posts. The iMesage ISN'T clear and obviously from someof the posts not working as seemlessly as Apple says it will in the final draft but thanks for stopping by and running up the message count though!
sounds like the question has been answered but I have a further question about it.
From what people have said if two people A and B start their iOS 5 device and enable imessaging, this registers them on apples servers as "imessaging capable" right? so when A first sends B a message it checks apples server to see if B is imessage capable and it is, so sends the message as an imessage through the apple server and down to B right? and as people have said person B will receive this as an imessage or if B is on verizon and on the phone then it wont get through and the apple server will keep trying to send the message to B until they get off the phone and receives the message right?
So in this scenario the only time A will send a sms message is if A has no data connection right?
What happens if B decided to switch his data connection off will he never get a message from A or will the apple servers realise that B keeps rejecting/not receiving imessages so tell A to resend the message as a sms?
Or if B just switches off imessaging does it unregister with the server and then does the server tell A that B has unregistered so to only send sms messages now or does A have to check with the server every time to see if B is still registered?
I think that is a good question. Does anyone have an answer for it?
Why I don't like iMessage
Imessage sounds like a great idea in theory but not in application.
If a person is using a Verizon iPhone to make a call and someone currently sends them a text message they get notified while on the call. Under the new iMessage system The person who is on a Verizon phone and on a call can not recieve text messages while on the phone because the system will automatically defauls any IOS to IOS texts to iMessage. During the iMessage announcement Apple discussed that any message not able to be delivered by iMessage would be automatically delivered by SMS however this is not happening. I have a problem with this and think the iMessage and SMS should be seperate. The BBM is seperate from SMS and that system has thrived.
Imessage sounds like a great idea in theory but not in application.
If a person is using a Verizon iPhone to make a call and someone currently sends them a text message they get notified while on the call. Under the new iMessage system The person who is on a Verizon phone and on a call can not recieve text messages while on the phone because the system will automatically defauls any IOS to IOS texts to iMessage. During the iMessage announcement Apple discussed that any message not able to be delivered by iMessage would be automatically delivered by SMS however this is not happening. I have a problem with this and think the iMessage and SMS should be seperate. The BBM is seperate from SMS and that system has thrived.
I thought an iPhone would check to see if the receiver of said message has iOS 5 installed. Thus if a Verizon users is on a call won't the message just wait to be sent until they're off the phone? How do texts work now with Verizon? No texts while calling?
I'm going to go out on a limb and just say that I trust Apple has considered this scenario and a solution is in place.
Right, and the cause of this is problems with BBM? Quite unlikely.
I'm going to go out on a limb and just say that I trust Apple has considered this scenario and a solution is in place.
Right, and the cause of this is problems with BBM? Quite unlikely.
Currently while on a call with verizon your text still comes thru under the imessage system they will wait till you hang up and the data stream is reconected.
Their solution is if an imessage isnt delivered within 5 minutes it defaults back to SMS and only some of the time. It should be an immediate process and hoepfully they will see this is an issue and fix it
doesn't apply to AT&T because you can use Data and the phone at the same time. We can't on Verizon
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imessage has been released and we have been experimenting with it all this morning on 3 verizon iPhone 4 and 2 AT&T iPhone 4
But has this been observed? I, again, just can't get behind criticizing something based on non-use. You sure that 5-minute timeout doesn't begin once the phone call ends? It just seems like a trivial thing regarding vPhones.