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Working iPhone 4? PROVE IT!!

raremage said:
But people who are not having a problem are much less likely to go to the trouble of proving things are fine - human nature. Having said that, just because noone has posted the video evidence as requested also does not prove anything.
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In general, the overwhelming majority of those lucky enough to have secured the iPhone 4 for launch couldn't care less about the reception issue.

However, on this forum, and given the spirited defense of those who don't have a "defective" iPhone, I'd imagine there are plenty who would make an effort to disprove the OP's hypothesis.

It only takes one exception to refute his entire hypothesis. Just from reading this forum, there appears to be a plethora of people whose phones are "fine," but others in relative proximity aren't.

For instance, your phone is fine in your apartment, but your buddy's isn't at his house 20 miles away. Bring your "non-defective" phone to his house and test both simultaneously to see if there is erosion on both. If you run this test, and yours is fine, while his signal is eroding, then it is a defect on his phone. However, if the otherwise perfect phone in your apartment exhibits the signal erosion, than it isn't a defect, but an inherently inefficient antenna design, relative to other phones that do not exhibit the severity of signal erosion when held in a similar fashion at a given geographical location.
 
citrate said:
How's this for a statement? Every iPhone 4 built to date has the reception defect!

Prove me wrong by showing two iPhone 4's side by side, one showing the defect and one not. Until then it's obvious that the people that think they have a perfect iPhone haven't been in a bad location yet.
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I don't have to. If I say it, believe it. If you choose not to, then you keep believing what you want while I use my iPhone 4 with zero problems. Either way, that's fine with me. :)
 
I just cant believe it :D

I'm going to go ahead and blame the title of the thread as being misleading or maybe the fact that most members here are reading the thread in a rush...:rolleyes:

just unbelievable

cant believe that so many members just don't get it....
 
Polo5 said:
I just cant believe it :D

I'm going to go ahead and blame the title of the thread as being misleading or maybe the fact that most members here are reading the thread in a rush...:rolleyes:

just unbelievable

cant believe that so many members just don't get it....
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I completely understand what the OP is after... it is just the way he is going about it
 
Ok, I don't have an iPhone 4. Nor do I have ATT service. But can I toss out a theory:

It doesn't matter if it's every iPhone 4, or just enough to be a problem. Apple is known for "design". Apple is known for products that "just work" right out of the box. Every Apple product I have ever owned has been, in my opinion, as close to flawless as I'll ever get when compared to another company's similar product. The first flawed Apple product I purchased was my iPad...it drops WIFI. I am patiently awaiting a fix. The next flawed Apple product to be released is iPhone 4. Even if yours is perfect, there ARE enough people with the problem for it to be getting loads of attention. I draw a couple of conclusions from this:

1.) This is what you get for being the company on top in the "design" arena
2.) Previous "signal" issues leading to voice/data problems with ATT are probably helping to exaggerate this problem.
3.) Regardless of it yours is fine or not, there is obviously something wrong.
4.) Any CEO who issues a blanket "there is no problem" statement this early is speaking foolishly...it's ok to be wrong, especially in business, as long as you admit it, apologize, and "wow" your customers with your fix solution.
5.) OP, why do you need proof when something is so "obviously" wrong? If others claim that there is no problem, then there could in fact be no problem with their phone, or none that they've noticed...why do they need to force it into problem mode? Before I even opened this thread I already knew there was a reception issue with iPhone 4...I knew this because I read.
 
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citrate said:
Just as I suspected. People believe what they want to believe. :)
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Right on. Complain all you want. It's an issue - WE KNOW!
 
btrav13 said:
Ok, I don't have an iPhone 4. Nor do I have ATT service. But can I toss out a theory:

It doesn't matter if it's every iPhone 4, or just enough to be a problem. Apple is known for "design". Apple is known for products that "just work" right out of the box. Every Apple product I have ever owned has been, in my opinion, as close to flawless as I'll ever get when compared to another company's similar product. The first flawed Apple product I purchased was my iPad...it drops WIFI. I am patiently awaiting a fix. The next flawed Apple product to be released is iPhone 4. Even if yours is perfect, there ARE enough people with the problem for it to be getting loads of attention. I draw a couple of conclusions from this:

1.) This is what you get for being the company on top in the "design" arena
2.) Previous "signal" issues leading to voice/data problems with ATT are probably helping to exaggerate this problem.
3.) Regardless of it yours is fine or not, there is obviously something wrong.
4.) Any CEO who issues a blanket "there is no problem" statement this early is speaking foolishly...it's ok to be wrong, especially in business, as long as you admit it, apologize, and "wow" your customers with your fix solution.
5.) OP, why do you need proof when something is so "obviously" wrong? If others claim that there is no problem, then there could in fact be no problem with their phone, or none that they've noticed...why do they need to force it into problem mode? Before I even opened this thread I already knew there was a reception issue with iPhone 4...I knew this because I read.
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I like SJ, but do agree he mis-spoke. The problem is that I think in his attempt to be brief, like he does, he left out the context of what he was saying. By saying the is no problem, perhaps he meant to say, there is no problem, because the fix is already on its way. So perhaps it was his delivery, rather than his message./
 
Kadman said:
I've been getting snippy myself, mostly because of the frustrations over smug posts by people who claim it's not an issue while failing to understand the request. Would be good to either see proof or at least have the masses understand that it hasn't been proven yet.
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What about the smug posts by people such as yourself that seem to think everyone owes them something?

My phone works fine, and it's better than my 3G was in every way. Fine, maybe someday I'll get into an area with bad coverage.. who knows. Meanwhile Apple will either release a software fix, or introduce a hardware fix that I can get later if it's needed. But there's not any reason for me to worry about it. I could freak out like folks on this forum and it won't change anything. Either wait to see what happens with a fix, return the phone, or give yourselves days worth of stress over a phone.

So far the biggest downside of the whole thing is that it's given people something else to argue about on the internet.
 
brentsg said:
What about the smug posts by people such as yourself that seem to think everyone owes them something?

My phone works fine, and it's better than my 3G was in every way. Fine, maybe someday I'll get into an area with bad coverage.. who knows. Meanwhile Apple will either release a software fix, or introduce a hardware fix that I can get later if it's needed. But there's not any reason for me to worry about it. I could freak out like folks on this forum and it won't change anything. Either wait to see what happens with a fix, return the phone, or give yourselves days worth of stress over a phone.

So far the biggest downside of the whole thing is that it's given people something else to argue about on the internet.
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It's not smugness, it's frustration. Please show me where I said you or anyone owes me anything.

btw- Your post that your phone "works fine" has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I've seen a fair number of "ignorance is bliss" threads that might be great for that. (now that's a smug comment. :D )
 
When I actually do hold in the controversial way, bars do disappear, but the 3g stays at the same speed; load fast. And calls don't drop. I find it a little interesting.
 
jamesryanbell said:
I don't have to. If I say it, believe it. If you choose not to, then you keep believing what you want while I use my iPhone 4 with zero problems. Either way, that's fine with me. :)
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The whole point of this thread is that we want to go beyond the realm of belief and into the world of actual proven facts. Is that too much to ask? Would it really kill Macrumors to have some of its users make statements based on actual facts and semi-scientific trials than just their own isolated experience and/or ignorant hypotheses?
 
admanimal said:
The whole point of this thread is that we want to go beyond the realm of belief and into the world of actual proven facts.
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In my "realm of belief" my phone works.

I believe others when they say their phones don't. Why is it is hard for people to believe those who say their phones work fine?
 
emaja said:
In my "realm of belief" my phone works.

I believe others when they say their phones don't. Why is it is hard for people to believe those who say their phones work fine?
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I believe that their phones have worked for them in their experiences. That doesn't mean that their phones don't have the problem of interest. 90% of the posts on MR for the last 5 days have been focused on dissecting every possible angle to this problem, yet when someone suggests how to actually learn something about what's going on, people react as if he's just asked them to chop off their arms.

No one is obligated to help look into this, and it appears that few if any people have the right circumstances, but surely there will be some interested people here that will help everyone out.
 
emaja said:
In my "realm of belief" my phone works.

I believe others when they say their phones don't. Why is it is hard for people to believe those who say their phones work fine?
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No one. Zero people. Not one person. is saying they don't believe you. Everyone here believes you that your phone works fine for you at your location.

What we don't believe is that your phone is actually any different from the phones that don't work. We believe it's 100% based on your location.

See: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10337410#post10337410

I don't know if a software patch will fix this, but I'm sure every iPhone 4 has the capability of not having this problem. We got 2 new iPhone 4s and at our house, each one of them has the problem. We were pretty bummed, to say the least. However, when we bring them to a friend's house (who has a 2 cell towers in plain sight), the issue resolves totally. So, it may involve fixing cell signals and not just the phone.
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arn
 
This thread is INSANE!!!

People are objecting to the test because the OP was 'snippy' or 'mean' in the way he asked it???

What does that have to do with the validity of the test? Nothing.

Could he have asked in a more 'polite' way? Perhaps. Personally, I think his post title was done for attention grabbing sake, but again, who cares?

His test is a sound one. And, as other have pointed out, it is a request which he believes to be impossible.

HIS THEORY is that all the phones have the issue and location plays a role in observing it. If his theory is true, no one will be able to do the test -- that is have one PERFECT iPhone 4 and one with the ISSUE in the SAME LOCATION and exhibiting different signal and data transmission loss.

One working iPhone doesn't satisfy the test. Two working iPhones don't satisfy the test. One issue iPhone AND one working iPhone in the same location, exhibiting different results do.

I said this earlier in the thread, but the cynic in me feels like someone with a 'working' iPhone is not going to go out of their way to prove that it has a fault.

We know there is an issue. We know a fair amount of people are affected.

This test would solidify the theory that observation of the issue is largely based on your location and signal strength. (also, possibly, hand clamminess)
 
arn said:
No one. Zero people. Not one person. is saying they don't believe you. Everyone here believes you that your phone works fine for you at your location.

What we don't believe is that your phone is actually any different from the phones that don't work. We believe it's 100% based on your location...

arn
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Thanks Arn! People seem to be getting overly defensive about this issue but it really is that simple.
 
Prise said:
I don't think the OP is becoming demanding, but I do think he's frustrated by the amount of people either wittingly or unwittingly misunderstanding his request.
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Couldn't have said it better. My request was quite simple but people would rather argue. My (and many others) theory is being proved correct I feel.
 
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