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I think these ads are great, they explain exactly what the iPad Pro is for. I think some people are getting it completely wrong, no one is saying that the iPad Pro is for the series video editor. Look at the videos and you will see that they highlight features that are aimed at students and people who would normally use a laptop to write essays, take notes, emails, scanning and so on. It's in that way the iPad Pro can replace a laptop.
But a laptop can do so much more than that. So no, it can't replace a laptop. Not even close.
 
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I was shocked, I tell you, shocked when I learned that Apple released a brand new Macbook Pro recently with the obsolete, useless technology that is the headphone jack. I mean, that is what they said it was when they launched the new iPhone. Absolutely scandalous![/QUOTE]

I was shocked when I bought a Windows phone and then Microsoft stopped making them. Scandalous!!!!
 
iPad Pro cannot replace a laptop. Unless you don't "work" on your computer. I have an iPad. But only for games and music.

And the 12.9" iPad Pro is out of stock, or hard to get in most places. Also the iPad Air 2 - Something is happening? :)

And the dates on the new commercials? 24. September and 10. October? :) A long time if the new ones first arrive there :)
 
An iPad Pro cannot and should not replace a laptop in my view. It's just an alternative for the 90 % out there. And mind you, I've never seen the iPad Pro as iPad Professional, more like iPad Productive (relatively speaking when one thinks of the regular iPad). That's all - and with that mindset, I haven't been disappointed in the slightest.
 
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The ads would make sense if there wasn't something else on the market that could do the same for a fraction of the price. Apple needs to differentiate their products and convince people they've the best solution no one else offers. But as all competitors are on par, or in most cases even better, these ads are lame and misplaced.
It shows the management has no clue how the market is today. It's an insult to the target group. And definitely not Pro. Apple's iPad should include the pencil standard with every iPad released to market.
I don't mind premium... but premium means best quality, experience and technology. This doesn't hold up for any of Apple's products anymore and that's a shame.

Sure they will introduce something stunning in VR soon and you'll hear the mantra "you'll see this only coming from Apple", "this is only Apple can do", "thrilled", "stunning". 6 months later every competitor has the same and Apple's core business is going down the drain by focusing on profits instead of offering the best.

Tim Cook will say two things: Apple is never about selling by the numbers but selling the best. Those are two lies! He should say: profits come first, experience isn't our focus.
 
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yes, ipad are selling one of the best tablets...so its not about selling but about selling the best
 
anyone knows what apps are presented in these 2 videos? i meant that it isnt note app right? and that app for print whats called?
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My guess is that those are pictures to make it look more interesting and no real apps.
are you kidding?
Edit i already found that the notes app is
Notability. Now i need to find what app is used for print/scan
 
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anyone knows what apps are presented in these 2 videos? i meant that it isnt note app right? and that app for print whats called?
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are you kidding?
Edit i already found that the notes app is
Notability. Now i need to find what app is used for print/scan
So those "apps" are pictures :rolleyes:
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yes, ipad are selling one of the best tablets...so its not about selling but about selling the best
Then compare "best" in price.
 
But a laptop can do so much more than that. So no, it can't replace a laptop. Not even close.

As I've said, it can for those that only do certain tasks such as word processing, email search the web, photos, watch Netflix and play the odd game, there are people who do just tho things with a laptop, so for those types of people yes it can totally replace a laptop.
 
I just wish they would release the new iPads already. My iPad mini is really showing its age.
The sad thing is, once they finally do release a new one it'll effectively be nothing more than a speed bump. Same old limited iOS. That will be the sum total of years between releases, shape and colors aside.

Getting back to the ads themselves, I sure hope they didn't spend a lot of money on 'em! LOL!
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But a laptop can do so much more than that. So no, it can't replace a laptop. Not even close.
Exactly. These things are priced like a laptop, so you would expect they could replace 'em completely. As you write, not even close. These iPads should be priced at most half what they are.
 
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Thinking about how I use the scanner at work.

How does the iPad replace the scanner?
 
Even if I consider buying another iPad (sold my Air 2 a few month ago) how about releasing a new one. I personally would love to have a iPad mini with a smaller redesigned Apple Pencil called Apple Pencil Mini.
 
If I was one of Apple competitors I would launch a BE SMART campaign.

It's starts with all the Apple ads at a faster speed. Then you see a person swiping it to the left on screen and the words appearing "Define best''; slowly fading these words and showing competing product X and the words BE SMART followed by BE A PRO (indicating that you've been doing your job by comparing the products on features and price).

Apple's whole campaign is getting useless with one swipe, lol

Never thought I would propagate this 4 years ago but you have to stay honest to yourself, don't you?
 
I don't need the iPad to replace my super duper desktop. But I'd love to get an iPad Pro 12.9 for notes and PDF reading (I already have smaller-size ipads/tablets). Sadly it has been unavailable for several months now. And no, I don't think the 32GB version cuts it.
 
I don't need the iPad to replace my super duper desktop. But I'd love to get an iPad Pro 12.9 for notes and PDF reading (I already have smaller-size ipads/tablets). Sadly it has been unavailable for several months now. And no, I don't think the 32GB version cuts it.

I think there have been supply constraints, also there is rumoured to be an Apple even later this month (March) so they might be holding off on production. iPad Pro is great for taking notes, handwritten notes are great as well with the Apple Pencil.
 
All I ever used in school was pen & paper. Kids these days have it good.

And, presumably, more than 1 book. Now that many students probably use the internet to get their information, being limited to a single 10-12 inch screen with poor way of switching between multiple references is basically a danger to education because it encourages single-source research.

If Tim thinks this can or should replace a computer that can be connected to real keyboard and 2x24inch screens, for a majority of people involved in "knowledge work", then we, as a society have a big problem and potentially an existential crisis.
 
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I went to grad school many years ago and even then it wasn't uncommon for students to record parts of the lecture. I've done it many times. Back then I had used Word on a MacBook, which had an awesome notebook feature. It allowed you to record and tag the recording with a title. You could skip to a specific part. All within the written pages you had with tabs on the right hand side for different classes or subjects. It was really great and especially helpful when complex topics were being discussed. To my knowledge, no one ever used class recordings for any purposes other than to study. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Couple things. First, many people have pointed out that the in the good ol' days, many people used a cassette recorder to capture lectures, and boy wasn't I naive to not know it. Of course I realize that (after all, I was a student for a long long time). There were a couple grad courses that I myself recorded (with a 3rd generation iPod with mic attachment). The recordings were made when I asked the professor, who in turn asked the room if anyone minded. They did not. The recorder sat on the table in front of the instructor. Everyone saw it, any time it was in use. And those files were a shared class resource for everyone, with the blessing of the instructor.

Now, a key difference between the old tape recorder era and the modern digital recording era is that I could very easily make those recordings available widespread and wholesale all over the Internet. That would include more sensitive class meetings like a post-exam review. There was always a way to share recordings, but the scale and scope was much different in the cassette days. That's worth acknowledging.

But the other, bigger issue for me is that pedagogical methods have shifted, particularly in higher education (long the domain of the "sage on the stage" lecture-heavy all-knowing professor). That's considered a pretty outdated model these days. Classrooms these days are supposed to be student-focused, rather than instructor-focused, so the recordings would not be capturing what they would have in the olden days. Having captured a recitation of facts on tape wouldn't do too much good on my assessments, because recall of trivial detail is about the least important thing to me — I'm more interested in assessing your ability to apply that knowledge in a context you've never seen before (and I'll probably give you those trivial facts and equations so you don't have to try memorizing them — I want to see if you known when and how to use them). It's a more authentic experience to "the real world."

If I were just gathering students together to rattle off a series of trivial facts and equations, distilled and condensed down from their textbook, then I could see all sorts of benefits to recordings (and I'd probably provide them myself). But that's not how I generally operate in the classroom. There are all sorts of better ways to deliver the trivial detail outside of the classroom. When we get together as a group, it should be to do something that takes advantage of the fact that we're all in the same room together. So classroom time for me is more used for applying the knowledge in problem-solving activities or lab experiences that students work on together in small groups as I facilitate. Frankly an audio recording of that wouldn't get you very far.

And finally, the classes where recording makes the most sense, as I suggested above, are courses in which facts and details are just rattled off in lecture. What about those courses that don't lend themselves to that format? I kind of straddle a few different disciplines, and one of the courses I teach is about educational methods. The course is very discussion-oriented and covers sensitive topics (bullying, racism, sexism, LGBT issues, disabilities, etc.). For that class to work as it should, I really have to build up a rapport with and among students, so that they feel as though they can just speak the unvarnished truth that's on their minds, and we will respectfully hear their point of view and discuss it. Some of the students share very private and personal experiences and opinions that are germane to the topic at hand, and it's really what makes the course so useful and so powerful to others in the class. These are generally senior-level students who are beginning to talk to one another as professional peers rather than just fellow students in a class. If someone were recording all that? Wow, what a breech of trust, and what a chilling effect it would have on the important discussions that happen in that classroom. And just so there's not misunderstanding — I really am not concerned about someone secretly recording what I have to say. But I do worry about my students being recorded, unknowingly, as they share things about their teaching experiences or things that they went through as a student. Some of it is mundane, but when someone starts talking about being called a particular racist slur, or instances where teacher acted inappropriately toward them, or about physical or sexual violence at home, or coming out, or countless other things, can you imagine the chilling effect and betrayed feeling someone would have about being recorded without knowledge?

But those kind of classroom experiences are the real power of a good college classroom. It's what you don't get just sitting around watching YouTube or listening to recorded lectures on iTunes U or wherever. As far as I'm concerned, a teacher is not ready to be sent out into the world until they've really had and heard those kinds of conversations. So it's important the the discussions happen, but it's just as important that they don't become the seed of embarrassment, harassment or worse.

So, that's where my problem lies. If a student records me unknowingly, I'm not worried that something bad is going to happen to me. I am conscientious about what I say to other people and really have nothing to hide. I'm tenured and secure in my career. I've also had years to unpack and process my own hang-ups and be comfortable in my own skin, so it's not a source of anxiety for me. But I don't assume that to be true for my students.

I have had students make recordings of class (either as part of an ADA accommodation or just by their request), but it's always been something that is known to the entire class. If something comes up that I feel just should not be recorded, I give instruction that the recording must be shut off (but nobody else in the room cannot take written notes during that time, to keep the field fair). But it is a betrayal of trust to not give every single person in the class forewarning that what they're saying is being recorded.

So anyway, tl;dr. Recordings make a lot of sense for certain kinds of classrooms (especially classrooms of yesterday), but a lot of well-designed learning experiences don't lend themselves well to recording, and some just absolutely shouldn't be recorded. We are becoming too accustomed to giving up too much of our privacy and personal agency already.
 
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