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I am hoping for more features like a solar panel that can help to prolong battery life and/or give unlimited battery life when in basic Watch mode.


That would be amazing. I suspect we'd have heard about that by now. Garmin does that one some of theirs I believe.
 
Tim Cook does. He has all the data on employee productivity/creativity. And he wants employees to return to office ASAP.
He also has to justify operating costs to shareholders. Having a new building that isn’t used isn’t any good.

I really don’t think productivity of engineers are significantly affected by working from home.
 
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Same chip, same exterior, no new sensors. So same exact thing with a new name. Lol Apple ain’t even trying.
 
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So the Series 8 will basically be the S7, perhaps with a body temperature sensor added. S8 chip will be a rebranded S6/S7 chip and if you like the blue or green color, you better get a Series 7 while they’re still available. The rugged model will be the one that looks a little different, but at a much higher cost.
 
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Me after putting on my new Series 8 AW
 
I am hoping for more features like a solar panel that can help to prolong battery life and/or give unlimited battery life when in basic Watch mode.

Solar seems so obvious to many battery challenges and yet surprisingly not on any Apple products.
 
What’s the point of making yearly updates to these devices when you can barely squeeze out any new feature? Do people really upgrade their watches every year?
I’m totally happy with my S4 still. Battery is fine functions are fine. It tells the time.

But it got dinged up last year so I’ve decided to sell this one off a get an S8.

If I’m going to get a new one I might as well “plunk for the lard” and go all in.
 
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Absolutely no sense in buying a premium watch that you need to replace every 2 years because hardware is outdated. Even if I was rich. Just keep the aluminium version for poor bastards like me.
Two years? I got almost 3 out of my original Apple Watch and I'll be getting a full 4 out of my S4. It's starting to feel a little slow, but honestly the battery degradation is the only reason that I see to replace it. Not worth investing over $100 to replace the battery in a four-year-old watch that Apple will probably cut off watchOS support for next year.

I've always gotten the stainless steel models because it was the least expensive way to get the sapphire glass, which is well worth it. Just about everyone I know who bought aluminum scratched their display within months, often weeks. I've banged the glass of my watch against door frames, metal door knobs, and a variety of table corners without a single scratch. Well worth the premium price to keep the watch in good working condition for 3-4x as long as the aluminum models.
 
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He also has to justify operating costs to shareholders. Having a new building that isn’t used isn’t any good.

I really don’t think productivity of engineers are significantly affected by working from home.
I don't think Tim Cook gives a damn about the cost of the building.

We have a lot of proof that Apple's productivity has been declining. Everything is delayed. Obvious and embarrassing bugs everywhere. Tim Cook wants workers back ASAP.
 
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I’ve got nothing against people who like Apple watches, they seem to be good quality and do what they are assigned to do well, but as a watch lover and horologist purist I just really don’t like them. For me a watch is simply designed to tell the time, but then again people will laugh at how much I’ve spent on my JLC Reverso and Rolex Oyster Perpetual. Neither of them have apps or tell me how fast my heart rate is, but they are of a quality that Apple could never achieve in a billion years of trying.
 
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I’ve got nothing against people who like Apple watches, they seem to be good quality and do what they are assigned to do well, but as a watch lover and horologist purist I just really don’t like them. For me a watch is simply designed to tell the time, but then again people will laugh at how much I’ve spent on my JLC Reverso and Rolex Oyster Perpetual. Neither of them have apps or tell me how fast my heart rate is, but they are of a quality that Apple could never achieve in a billion years of trying.


Each to their own, but surely if the key task of a watch is to show the time, then the Apple Watch is the winner there too. More accurate than any JLC or Rolex, and can be configured with a simple face. You don't have to use all of those features such as heart rate sensor etc.

I have some "mid range" watches (Citizen, Tag) but I never wear them, just because the Apple Watch does everything that they do, and does it far better.

The obvious and significant downside is charging every day (or at a push, every second day).

Just my opinion, obviously.
 
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Two years? I got almost 3 out of my original Apple Watch and I'll be getting a full 4 out of my S4. It's starting to feel a little slow, but honestly the battery degradation is the only reason that I see to replace it. Not worth investing over $100 to replace the battery in a four-year-old watch that Apple will probably cut off watchOS support for next year.

I've always gotten the stainless steel models because it was the least expensive way to get the sapphire glass, which is well worth it. Just about everyone I know who bought aluminum scratched their display within months, often weeks. I've banged the glass of my watch against door frames, metal door knobs, and a variety of table corners without a single scratch. Well worth the premium price to keep the watch in good working condition for 3-4x as long as the aluminum models.
Their out of warranty service fee for the AW4 I own is almost as much as I paid for it brand new.
 
Each to their own, but surely if the key task of a watch is to show the time, then the Apple Watch is the winner there too. More accurate than any JLC or Rolex, and can be configured with a simple face. You don't have to use all of those features such as heart rate sensor etc.

I have some "mid range" watches (Citizen, Tag) but I never wear them, just because the Apple Watch does everything that they do, and does it far better.

The obvious and significant downside is charging every day (or at a push, every second day).

Just my opinion, obviously.
Actually its internal time keeping doesn’t have to be that accurate at all since it can query the US NIST atomic clock every once in awhile through GPS or cellular connection.
 
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Actually its internal time keeping doesn’t have to be that accurate at all since it can query the US NIST atomic clock every once in awhile through GPS or cellular connection.


Apple Watch?

I could be wrong but I believe it primarily uses Apple's own time distribution network but can fall back to other mechanisms such as GPS, cellular etc.

All the same, for a quartz watch it is allegedly more accurate than average as it contains a quartz oven, so the time drift between synchronizations should be better than a typical quartz watch.
 
Each to their own, but surely if the key task of a watch is to show the time, then the Apple Watch is the winner there too. More accurate than any JLC or Rolex, and can be configured with a simple face. You don't have to use all of those features such as heart rate sensor etc.

I have some "mid range" watches (Citizen, Tag) but I never wear them, just because the Apple Watch does everything that they do, and does it far better.

The obvious and significant downside is charging every day (or at a push, every second day).

Just my opinion, obviously.
A mechanical watch will always lose to a smartwatch, there is no doubt in that however it’s more about emotions. People who don’t understand watches will never know the feeling of trying on a JLC or dare I say a Patek Philippe. I went to a local jewellers pre covid and they managed to get me a Nautilus to try on, no idea how as it’s one of the most sought after timepieces now. At the time I think it was worth 50 grand and some sell for over 100 now. It’s stupid STUPID money for a watch but you wear it and you know it’s something that’s so special and you even consider doing stupid things just to get the money to own one. You know its something that’s taken thousands of hours of craftmanship and built by people who just love what they do. Wearing an Apple Watch that’s been mass produced in China with zero emotion makes me kinda sad, even though a lot of people love them if they work well , and understandably so.
 
A mechanical watch will always lose to a smartwatch, there is no doubt in that however it’s more about emotions. People who don’t understand watches will never know the feeling of trying on a JLC or dare I say a Patek Philippe. I went to a local jewellers pre covid and they managed to get me a Nautilus to try on, no idea how as it’s one of the most sought after timepieces now. At the time I think it was worth 50 grand and some sell for over 100 now. It’s stupid STUPID money for a watch but you wear it and you know it’s something that’s so special and you even consider doing stupid things just to get the money to own one. You know its something that’s taken thousands of hours of craftmanship and built by people who just love what they do. Wearing an Apple Watch that’s been mass produced in China with zero emotion makes me kinda sad, even though a lot of people love them if they work well , and understandably so.


For sure.

I appreciate the craftsmanship, but if the key function of a watch is to tell the time I think it's hard to argue that there is a better watch out there.
 
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Keeping the same series 7 design for the standard watches is fine by me. That was my hope as I like the design.

I am still baffled by the ‘extreme sports titanium’ watch that is rumoured. It’s going to be a lot more expensive than sports watches front the likes of Garmin due to its material option and I really don’t understand who it is aimed at? The standard aluminium Watch is already appealing to those who keep fit and it’s an attractive price. I can’t see why I’d want to pay £799+ when I can spend £380??

It might also be worth those of us needing a watch upgrade looking at the Series 7. It’s already come down in price to under £300 in many places.
 
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Keeping the same series 7 design for the standard watches is fine by me. That was my hope as I like the design.

I am still baffled by the ‘extreme sports titanium’ watch that is rumoured. It’s going to be a lot more expensive than sports watches front the likes of Garmin due to its material option and I really don’t understand who it is aimed at? The standard aluminium Watch is already appealing to those who keep fit and it’s an attractive price. I can’t see why I’d want to pay £799+ when I can spend £380??


I like the idea of Titanium and sapphire glass. But I'm really thinking that a more regularly replaced aluminium one makes more sense for me.

My current one (SE) is 18 months old and no scratches. If that's the norm for aluminium then I'm thinking I'll stick with that.

Maybe I've just been exceptionally lucky to date.
 
What’s the point of making yearly updates to these devices when you can barely squeeze out any new feature? Do people really upgrade their watches every year?
$$$$$$$.
Do people really upgrade their iPhones every year? Some people still do. Same applies to the Apple watch.
Many people must have the latest and greatest iPhone/watch and many do have the money for it even in bad economic times.

Many people are more practical nowadays. Nothing wrong with having an older iPhone or Watch that still works.
Still wearing the S5 watch which should last another year or two and just need a battery replacement which is relatively affordable @$79 by Apple than buying a newer watch.
Will gladly upgrade when Apple creates a watch that can monitor blood pressure or blood glucose levels.
 
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Each to their own, but surely if the key task of a watch is to show the time, then the Apple Watch is the winner there too. More accurate than any JLC or Rolex, and can be configured with a simple face. You don't have to use all of those features such as heart rate sensor etc.

I have some "mid range" watches (Citizen, Tag) but I never wear them, just because the Apple Watch does everything that they do, and does it far better.

The obvious and significant downside is charging every day (or at a push, every second day).

Just my opinion, obviously.

As good as the Apple Watch is, it can’t compete against the luxury watch sector as ‘functionality’ is not the appealing factor. People into those types of watches own them because they enjoy the aesthetics and craftsmanship. It’s a buzz that can’t really be explained unless you are passionate about it. I’m guilty of wearing my Apple Watch far too much and need to start my rotation again. I can go a day or two without an extra device showing me notifications every now and then.
 
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