cMP {classicMacPro}{4,1 & 5,1} - Upgrade Guide Sticky Discussion

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  1. n8ballz, Jan 4, 2018
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    n8ballz macrumors newbie

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    Hey Folks,

    Lets start a discussion and collect everything relevant for cMP upgraders out there.

    Topics to consider:
    • CPU Upgrades
      • Compatibility chart
      • CPU Delid / standoffs
      • 4,1 to 5,1 firmware upgrade
    • Memory Compatibility and Upgrades
      • UDIMM Model Numbers
      • RDIMM Model Numbers
      • RAM Configurations

    • Storage
      • SATA II -> SATA III
      • nVMe vs AHCI PCIe storage | Will it boot?
      • RAID Controllers SATA/SAS
      • Harddrive caddies to fit 2.5" into original 3.5" bays

    • GPU Upgrades and caveats
      • List of officially supported cards
      • nvida vs AMD
      • How to nvidia
      • How to AMD
      • Bootscreen with GT120 or Flashing
      • External Power-supply
      • Displays for professionals / budgeteers
    • Bluetooth WiFi Upgrade for handoff / watch unlock
    • USB 3.0 / 3.1 Support
    • Thunderbolt
    • Other PCIe upgrades
    • List of Links to other resources / tutorials
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    CPU Upgrade Resources


    -- Mac Pro CPU Compatibility List -- {Start Here}
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-cpu-compatibility-list.1954766/

    -- How to Upgrade the CPU --
    https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-how-to-upgrade-processors.html

    -- Delid / Xeon IHS Removal --


    -- 4,1 to 5,1 Firmware Upgrade --
    http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.0.html

    For firmware flashed, the common errors are
    1) Didn't use a Mac EFI GPU
    2) The current firmware is NOT B07 or B08
    3) Didn't download and mount the required ROM image
    4) Didn't disable SIP (For El Capitan or later)
    5) Didn't shutdown -> press and hold the power button (but making a warm reboot)
    6) The hard drive is not supported (this is a unknown error so far. No idea which hard drive is good. A hard drive can be completely normal for OS operation, but only cannot perform the firmware upgrade)

    Memory Compatibility and Resources




    Storage


    -- Bootable NGFF PCIe SSD --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...he-09-mac-pro-bootable-ngff-pcie-ssd.1685821/

    -- PCIe NVMe --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pcie-m-2-nvme-on-macpro.2030791/

    -- How to boot from NVMe / USB 3.0 --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/boot-osx-on-a-nvme-card.1967790/


    {PCIe SATA III card}
    -- OWC Accelsior S discussion (PCIe SATA III card) --

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/has-anyone-tried-the-owc-accelsior-s.1893659/

    -- Apricorn Velocity DUO discussion --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/dual-boot-confirmed-for-new-apricorn-velocity-duo-x2.1721573/

    -- Sonnect Tempo SSD Pro vs OWC Accelsior --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/sonnet-tempo-ssd-pro-vs-owc-accelsior-benchmarks.1552592/


    {HDD}
    -- High capacity HDD upgrade (Important fix at post #43) --

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macpro-5-1-high-capacity-hard-drives.1971809/


    {Boot time}
    -- Will boot time be improved by upgrading from SATA SSD to PCIe SSD? --

    - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-upgrade-sata-3gbps,3469-13.html
    - http://www.overclock.net/t/1489684/ssd-interface-comparison-pci-express-vs-sata
    - http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/10/Bootracer-980x735.jpeg



    GPU Upgrades

    -- How to fix high PCIe / PSU fan speed after GPU upgrade --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...when-using-pc-non-efi-graphics-cards.1946672/

    -- How to disable SIP with non MacOS natively supported GPU (non Mac EFI flashed) --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cmp-getting-dell-5k-working-in-sierra.2026628/#post-25075208

    -- High Resolutions @60hz and HiDPI fix for old Macs --
    https://github.com/Floris497/mac-pixel-clock-patch-V2

    -- How to get audio from HDMI or Display Port --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/guide-hdmi-audio.1499797/
    https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/hdmiaudio-1-1-dmg-zip.614292/

    -- Why my GPU's CineBench score is so low (post #56 to #68) --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...efi-sluggishness.2104875/page-3#post-25803275




    -- How to make a MAC EFI ROM for HD7950, HD7970, R9 280, R9 280X --
    - fixrom script from Netkas forum
    - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/help-overclocking-12-core-mac-pro.1762165/#post-19497121

    -- How to fix the Sapphire HD7950 Mac Edition card flickering issue --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...7950-mac-edition.1603588/page-2#post-20513990


    {NVIDIA}
    -- Frequently Asked Questions About NVIDIA PC (non-EFI) Graphics Cards --

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...out-nvidia-pc-non-efi-graphics-cards.1440150/

    -- GTX680 2GB and 4GB Mac EFI flashing --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-pci-e-2-0-5gt-s.1603260/page-4#post-17832428

    -- How to avoid "black screen" when update MacOS and web driver (non EFI GPU) --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-update-with-non-flashed-gtx-1080ti.2045822/#post-25678371

    -- List of MacOS versions with links to their equivalent Nvidia Web Driver versions --
    http://www.macvidcards.com/drivers.html


    Bluetooth / WiFi Upgrades


    -- Continuity Activation Tool --
    https://github.com/dokterdok/Continuity-Activation-Tool

    -- How to activate Handoff WITHOUT CAT --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...0-keep-updating.1748061/page-39#post-26050509

    -- How to disable the internal Bluetooth (when using USB BT dongle) --
    http://oliverwolfson.com/apple-mac-pro-bluetooth-issue-solved/

    -- How to select Bluetooth adaptor (without physically disable the internal BT) --
    http://www.geekguides.co.uk/414/how-to-select-a-bluetooth-adapter-in-os-x/


    USB 3.x Upgrades

    -- Everything you need to know --
    Mac Pro USB 3.x PCIe Cards


    Thunderbolt
    -- Currently Impossible --


    Other PCIe Upgrades



    Useful Resources and Links

    -- Pixlas mod | PSU | CPU | GPU --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/

    -- How to Install Auxiliary PSU without drilling (requires soldering) --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-without-drilling-requires-soldering.1684482/

    -- All We Know About Maximizing CPU Related Performance --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/all-we-know-about-maximizing-cpu-related-performance.1333421/

    -- How to fix the Northbridge heat sink revet --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...dge-heat-sink-on-2009-mac-pro-2x2-26.1637891/

    -- How to upgrade to High Sierra WITHOUT converting to APFS --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...uide-sticky-discussion.2099092/#post-25723103

    -- How to download the old OSX / macOS installer --
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-its-impossible.2072140/page-3#post-25731238

    -- How to switch between Windows / macOS without boot screen --

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-boot-windows-without-a-boot-screen.2114788/
     
  2. h9826790 macrumors G3

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    I don't mind to help, but how you want it? Keep updating the original post?

    There will be lots of info if put everything into a single post. But if you just let it roll, then eventually this will become a hundred pages thread and lots of people won't even border to read, and simple make a new post to ask whatever they want.
     
  3. n8ballz, Jan 4, 2018
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    n8ballz thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I'll keep updating the original post.

    The original post is now a wiki. Please help me with my OCD and keep the formatting nice n' clean :cool:

    Thanks for all your help everyone!
     
  4. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    USB 3.x upgrade information in my signature. Nvidia GTX 680 PC-to-MAC procedure too.
     
  5. h9826790, Jan 4, 2018
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    h9826790 macrumors G3

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    #5
    This is NOT entirely correct. There is NO requirement to meet all of those spec.

    e.g.

    The Mac Pro can accept slower memory. It just run slower.

    Also, the Mac Pro can accept faster memory, the DIMM will be automatically downclock to match the CPU / logicboard's max possible speed.

    Also, there is NO requirement to use ECC RAM on the cMP.

    Apart from that. I suggest you amend the title to more specific for cMP 4,1 and 5,1. Otherwise all these memory info can be be very wrong on other cMP.

    And if you really want to list out all the working part number, the list will become ridiculous long. May be you can put that in another post, and use a link in this OP.

    For info, MICRO MT36KDZS2G72PZ-1G41HE is also a known good 16GB RDIMM for cMP. I am using that right now.
    16GB ECC RDIMM.JPG

    In this post, I think it's more important to tell the reader that

    A single W36xx CPU can support up to 56GB memory (3x16 + 8)
    A single X56xx CPU can support up to 64GB memory (4x16)
    A dual X56xx CPU can support up to 160GB memory (5x32)

    And there is NO report about if 32 DIMM can be used on a single processor cMP, therefore, no idea if that can work, or further push up the memory size limit.

    In the CPU section, I suggest clearly state that ONLY the dual processor 4,1 use delidded CPU. ALL other cMP use normal CPU.
     
  6. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Thunderbolt upgrade is not possible.

    User @bokkow was working on a MP memory upgrade guide. You might PM him to see what he did with that information.

    Some topics like CPU and memory are relevant to 6,1 owners, and I see them asking about it, so I wouldn't exclude them from this.
     
  7. h9826790, Jan 4, 2018
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    h9826790 macrumors G3

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    Here are some link for you to update the OP

    MAX speed storage upgrade for cMP

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/amfeltec-x16-pcie-with-4-ssds-5900-mb-s.1936311/

    BT / Wifi upgrade

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...orking-on-mac-pro-2010-keep-updating.1748061/

    AMD card 5GT/s resistor mod

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-5-0gt-s-on-ati-card-and-nvidia-card.1547340/

    GTX680 4GB Mac EFI flashing

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ens-full-clock-rates-pci-e-2-0-5gt-s.1603260/

    Pixlas mod

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/


    Also, I suggest to state that for firmware flashing, the common errors are
    1) Did't use a Mac EFI GPU
    2) The current firmware is NOT B07 or B08
    3) Didn't download and mount the required ROM image
    4) Didn't disable SIP (For El Capitan or later)
    5) Didn't shutdown -> press and hold the power button (but making a warm reboot)
    6) The hard drive is not supported (this is an unknown error so far. No idea which hard drive is good. A hard drive can be completely normal for OS operation, but only cannot perform the firmware upgrade)
    --- Post Merged, Jan 4, 2018 ---


    more link for storage section

    High capacity HDD upgrade (Imoprtant fix at post #43)

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macpro-5-1-high-capacity-hard-drives.1971809/

    PCIe SSD

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...he-09-mac-pro-bootable-ngff-pcie-ssd.1685821/
     
  8. h9826790, Jan 6, 2018
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  10. h9826790 macrumors G3

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    Is there anyone know how to suggest this thread to admin / moderator to make it sticky?

    Even though there is still a long way to go to finish the original post. But there are already lots of useful link / info in there. Worth to start to make it sticky, and let the others use as reference.
     
  11. h9826790, Jan 7, 2018
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    h9826790 macrumors G3

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    32GB DIMM discussion

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-cmp-anyone-tried-this.2046693/#post-24953147

    The max demonstrated memory size limit so far, 160GB

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ac-pro-late-2013.1698707/page-6#post-21436809
    --- Post Merged, Jan 7, 2018 ---
    Even though SATA III is a pretty old upgrade nowadays. But if anyone interested in it. Here are the few threads that cover the three very common bootable PCIe SATA III card.

    OWC Accelsior S discussion (PCIe SATA III card)

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/has-anyone-tried-the-owc-accelsior-s.1893659/

    Apricorn Velocity DUO discussion

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/dual-boot-confirmed-for-new-apricorn-velocity-duo-x2.1721573/

    Sonnect Tempo SSD Pro vs OWC Accelsior

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/sonnet-tempo-ssd-pro-vs-owc-accelsior-benchmarks.1552592/

    Updated: just realise this is a wiki thread now. I will update the original post by myself accordingly. Thanks OP!
     
  12. n8ballz thread starter macrumors newbie

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    No prob, Thanks for all your help!
     
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  15. h9826790 macrumors G3

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    #16
    How to upgrade to High Sierra without converting the file system to APFS.

    1) Download High Sierra Installer from Appstore
    2) Close the installer (if it automatically open after download completed)
    3) Open Terminal
    4) run
    Code:
    /Applications/"Install macOS High Sierra.app"/Contents/Resources/startosinstall --converttoapfs NO --agreetolicense
     
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  17. h9826790 macrumors G3

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    The cards are difference, he was looking for the BCM943602CD, not the BCM94360CD. That card card support BT 4.1 rather than 4.0.

    But you are totally right about it is NOT pnp. All the adaptors still required for BCM943602CD
    --- Post Merged, Jan 23, 2018 ---
    Thanks for the link, wiki post updated.
     
  18. Squuiid macrumors 65816

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    I went from 1,1 to 2,1 then 3,1 and just ebayed a 4,1 that has been firmware updated to 5.1 and running Sierra. I guess this is a stupid question but I would like to take the El Capitan hard drive and put it in the new computer and then update it to Sierra. Just want to save all that I have on the 3,1 hard drive. Can this be done?

    This little question has been driving me nuts. I can not find any answer I assume that the El Capitan hard drive will boot with no problem. I tried Apple support and there was none. They said they didn't recomend changing the hard drive,WTF.

    Any help would be appreciated. Regards Newbie
     
  20. Squuiid macrumors 65816

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    Should work fine.
     
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    The iCloud services (iMessages etc) and other activated products can go nuts after swap like that (depends of method of activation), but yeah, agree with Squuuiid - macOS will have no problems on its own.
     
  22. ededoad macrumors newbie

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    Thanks I thought so but I tried asking tech at apple and they said it was not recomended to remove drives or some crap like that. I don't think whoever I talked to had any idea what I was talking about. I started on a 1,1 went to a 2,1 then a 3,1 and I think that I just swaped the drives from the 1,1 to 2,1 but not on the 64 bit 3,1. Thanks again, Newbie
     
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